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moreReps21

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Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
 
moreReps21 said:
Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
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@moreReps21 welcome to the EVO family :D good to have you sharing, another Canadian EVo brother. @BeMe @HarleyGuy @haldencapital will check this as well.

moreReps21 said:
Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
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Those are low levels.
moreReps21 said:
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)
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The doctor you have is horrible, started you on TRT without knowing your shbg or e2! bad!
moreReps21 said:
And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).
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It would be geneficial but hard to say. Likely its linked to your lifestyle.
moreReps21 said:
As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?
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With 120mgs/week 1x/week is the easiest way to pin.
moreReps21 said:
And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?
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No difference but easiest is glutes and delts.

Either way this isn't a good doctor and you need a proper TRT log so we can properly guide you as the big EVO family :D we have many strong Canadian EVO brothers who log as well, you can check
@BeMe log - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
@HarleyGuy log - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881

I suggest you start your own Log for your TRT and maybe TRT+ in the future, it's easy, you start a new thread with your training diet sleep supps and the EVO family guides you the whole time and supports you :D takes about 15min to get up and 5min to update. Directions below.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
  • Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
  • Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
  • The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
  • Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com
 
the esters release slowly in cypionate as it has a long half life. of course injecting cyp once a week is fine. even once every 2 weeks would be perfectly fine. if you want to inject less often you can also request nebido or test U which has a super long half life where you only have to inject once ever 2-3 months. and there is also sustanon which you only need to inject once every 2-3 weeks max since it has a decanoate ester
 
I'm just scanning through this quickly and will be back in a bit but as long as your blood pressure is in check then I find that TRT dosing by doctors here in Canada is generally way too low. If your blood pressure (which is where a lot of the problems start) and bloods are relatively in check in my opinion it doesn't matter where your Test and free test is at, assuming you're keeping an eye on your E2 and prolactin.
 
moreReps21 said:
Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
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Sounds like your TRT doc has you on the right track. I basically started the exact same way. Pinning once a week is fine but you can switch to two days a week also.

You'll try your dose at 120mg, check bloods at 6 weeks. Then you'll probably need to bump up a bit, check again in 6 weeks. You'll do that until you reach a point where you feel really good. For me that was 180mg a week and around 800 free test.

At that point your doc will probably keep you cruising at that dose, check in once more at 6 weeks again and from then on bloodwork every 3 months unless you want it sooner.
 
moreReps21 said:
Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
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@moreReps21 bro i do bodybuilder trt. might as well push it hard right? also i believe in cruising on tren and lots of red meat
 
LevButlerov said:
@moreReps21 welcome to the EVO family :D good to have you sharing, another Canadian EVo brother. @BeMe @HarleyGuy @haldencapital will check this as well.


Those are low levels.

The doctor you have is horrible, started you on TRT without knowing your shbg or e2! bad!

It would be geneficial but hard to say. Likely its linked to your lifestyle.

With 120mgs/week 1x/week is the easiest way to pin.

No difference but easiest is glutes and delts.

Either way this isn't a good doctor and you need a proper TRT log so we can properly guide you as the big EVO family :D we have many strong Canadian EVO brothers who log as well, you can check
@BeMe log - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
@HarleyGuy log - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881

I suggest you start your own Log for your TRT and maybe TRT+ in the future, it's easy, you start a new thread with your training diet sleep supps and the EVO family guides you the whole time and supports you :D takes about 15min to get up and 5min to update. Directions below.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
  • Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
  • Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
  • The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
  • Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.co
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Thanks for the reply, ya ill for sure get a log going here. I've been reading through tuns of them over the last few weeks. Great info/experiences I've learned from.
 
stevesmi said:
the esters release slowly in cypionate as it has a long half life. of course injecting cyp once a week is fine. even once every 2 weeks would be perfectly fine. if you want to inject less often you can also request nebido or test U which has a super long half life where you only have to inject once ever 2-3 months. and there is also sustanon which you only need to inject once every 2-3 weeks max since it has a decanoate ester
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ya I've read up about the different half life's. My concern really was about the potential "dip" in levels around day 4 leading up to the next shot. And if that's the case I have no problem pinning more frequently to keep it stable. I had asked to start with 2x/wk from the start, but she wants to do it 1x(at least for now).

I'm only 2 shots in so haven't really experienced any difference yet. She was saying it may be around 3-6 weeks to begin to feel it.

Thanks for the reply.
 
HarleyGuy said:
I'm just scanning through this quickly and will be back in a bit but as long as your blood pressure is in check then I find that TRT dosing by doctors here in Canada is generally way too low. If your blood pressure (which is where a lot of the problems start) and bloods are relatively in check in my opinion it doesn't matter where your Test and free test is at, assuming you're keeping an eye on your E2 and prolactin.
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Ya everything(aside from my test) in my bloods she said was in good standing. Again she didn't look at my SHBG or E2 though. I'm going to be making sure its included for the next test.
 
BeMe said:
Sounds like your TRT doc has you on the right track. I basically started the exact same way. Pinning once a week is fine but you can switch to two days a week also.

You'll try your dose at 120mg, check bloods at 6 weeks. Then you'll probably need to bump up a bit, check again in 6 weeks. You'll do that until you reach a point where you feel really good. For me that was 180mg a week and around 800 free test.

At that point your doc will probably keep you cruising at that dose, check in once more at 6 weeks again and from then on bloodwork every 3 months unless you want it sooner.
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That's good to hear, thanks for the reply.

When you started did you stay with 1x/wk up until finding your "sweet spot"? or if you did switch when did you?
 
moreReps21 said:
ya I've read up about the different half life's. My concern really was about the potential "dip" in levels around day 4 leading up to the next shot. And if that's the case I have no problem pinning more frequently to keep it stable. I had asked to start with 2x/wk from the start, but she wants to do it 1x(at least for now).

I'm only 2 shots in so haven't really experienced any difference yet. She was saying it may be around 3-6 weeks to begin to feel it.

Thanks for the reply.
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You really only need to worry about more frequentl injections if you are getting sides or higher than preferable e2.

These things are more common on a higher bodybuilding/ performance dosages, which is why you'll see it recommended that way a lot.

But at a true trt dose you should generally be okay with once per week shots.
 
@moreReps21

Bro, if you wanna see red meat check out my log... especially today's log I'm doing up right now (30Aug2025). It's the secret ingredient for dense muscle hypertrophy (for me at least). https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/

And 130mg-180mg TRT can easily be done once a week without worrying about dips. There's some uneducated docs here that do it once every two weeks and I've seen once every four weeks as well which is ridiculous. Once a week is great with enanthate. You're probably prescribed enanthate or cypionate so once a week is fine.
 
HarleyGuy said:
@moreReps21

Bro, if you wanna see red meat check out my log... especially today's log I'm doing up right now (30Aug2025). It's the secret ingredient for dense muscle hypertrophy (for me at least). https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/

And 130mg-180mg TRT can easily be done once a week without worrying about dips. There's some uneducated docs here that do it once every two weeks and I've seen once every four weeks as well which is ridiculous. Once a week is great with enanthate. You're probably prescribed enanthate or cypionate so once a week is fine.
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will be checking it out. thanks again, feel better about the dose timing now that I understand.
 
stevesmi said:
the esters release slowly in cypionate as it has a long half life. of course injecting cyp once a week is fine. even once every 2 weeks would be perfectly fine. if you want to inject less often you can also request nebido or test U which has a super long half life where you only have to inject once ever 2-3 months. and there is also sustanon which you only need to inject once every 2-3 weeks max since it has a decanoate ester
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I agree with @stevesmi on all this. You don't have to do this but what I do is make my own "sust" by using TestE and TestP (propionate) and inject twice weekly so the prop keeps your T levels up with no dips and the TestE cruises in the background with it along side so you have a graph that looks like a steady state using the two fast/short esters together.
 
moreReps21 said:
Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
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I just read this. Your doc is a quack. There are so many tests she missed and not checking your SHBG and Estradiol is just malpractice if she's pretending to be a TRT doc. Stay posting on here and we will send you into her with a proper list of what you want checked and don't let her talk you out of it either. They're all covered under your provincial plan here in Canada. You can request SHBG, Estradiol, Prolactin, Cystatin-C just to name a few she should have checked. Once you're comfortable with your TRT dose we can keep an eye on your blood pressure, ALT, creatinine, SHBG, Estradiol, Prolactin, etc and get your Test and Free Test in the highest range possible if your bloods and blood pressure stay reasonably in range of the standard. Having your T levels ridiculously high isn't unhealthy if blood pressure and the rest of your markers are in check. You can stay on TRT for life and run cycles over and above that and stay healthy forever.
 
HarleyGuy said:
I just read this. Your doc is a quack. There are so many tests she missed and not checking your SHBG and Estradiol is just malpractice if she's pretending to be a TRT doc. Stay posting on here and we will send you into her with a proper list of what you want checked and don't let her talk you out of it either. They're all covered under your provincial plan here in Canada. You can request SHBG, Estradiol, Prolactin, Cystatin-C just to name a few she should have checked. Once you're comfortable with your TRT dose we can keep an eye on your blood pressure, ALT, creatinine, SHBG, Estradiol, Prolactin, etc and get your Test and Free Test in the highest range possible if your bloods and blood pressure stay reasonably in range of the standard. Having your T levels ridiculously high isn't unhealthy if blood pressure and the rest of your markers are in check. You can stay on TRT for life and run cycles over and above that and stay healthy forever.
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Yep trt doctors are just business people
they aren’t real doctors. If people want to go these clinics they have to do their own homework
 
moreReps21 said:
ya I've read up about the different half life's. My concern really was about the potential "dip" in levels around day 4 leading up to the next shot. And if that's the case I have no problem pinning more frequently to keep it stable. I had asked to start with 2x/wk from the start, but she wants to do it 1x(at least for now).

I'm only 2 shots in so haven't really experienced any difference yet. She was saying it may be around 3-6 weeks to begin to feel it.

Thanks for the reply.
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Again the ester causes the steroid to slow release. So it will build up not dip. It’s hard for people to understand this until they understand how esters work. They take test base and add an ester to require less injecting in the first place. Imagine having to pin trt test base every single day forever lol. Vs once a week. 50 pins vs 365 pins. And even better is nebido which is every 2-3 months but clinics won’t do it as less money in it for them

It’s like when you get mucinex that is 24 hour vs 48 hours. It’s the same drug on the shelf. But one releases slower but lasts longer.
 
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moreReps21 said:
Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
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at the end of the day if you aren't happy with your doctor then find a new one. but i think 120mgs a week is perfect to start
 
moreReps21 said:
Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
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bros you should post up a log and bloodwork. the bloods will tell you if your dose good.
 
moreReps21 said:
Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
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there is no TRT dose that fits all. people are going to be different based on their goals and bloodwork
 
moreReps21 said:
Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
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there are 100 ways to do TRT. generally the idea is to replace what your body would naturally produce in a healthy state
the mistake we see a lot is people get put on way too much trt and end up doing more harm then good
 
moreReps21 said:
That's good to hear, thanks for the reply.

When you started did you stay with 1x/wk up until finding your "sweet spot"? or if you did switch when did you?
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My doc advised pinning twice a week so that's how I was doing it from the start. I'm trying every other day now with insulin syringes.

Make sure you're not pinning right before your bloodwork. Usually I would pin Monday nights and Friday nights but when going for bloodwork on Saturday I skip the Friday pin and do it right after bloodwork.
 
moreReps21 said:
Thanks for the reply, ya ill for sure get a log going here. I've been reading through tuns of them over the last few weeks. Great info/experiences I've learned from.
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We are waiting for your log, share please :D @moreReps21
 
Just to share with you what I did. I am prescribed by my doc to inject 1x weekly 200mg but I divide that up and use it EOD. It helps with the E2, red blood and hematocrit for me. Not as much of a spike and drop. You could always try 2x or 3x or eod or daily. It still works out to the same amount to what your being prescribed for the week. Then if you find something you like and it works for you then share your findings with the doctor. Now to be honest I felt the same when I was pinning one time a week as I do pinning eod. My blood work is what told me that things are better EOD.
 
kcates said:
Just to share with you what I did. I am prescribed by my doc to inject 1x weekly 200mg but I divide that up and use it EOD. It helps with the E2, red blood and hematocrit for me. Not as much of a spike and drop. You could always try 2x or 3x or eod or daily. It still works out to the same amount to what your being prescribed for the week. Then if you find something you like and it works for you then share your findings with the doctor. Now to be honest I felt the same when I was pinning one time a week as I do pinning eod. My blood work is what told me that things are better EOD.
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I'm doing the exact same. I heard it can help reduce sides but mainly I'm going EOD so I can pin with insulin syringes and try to minimize scar tissue or pip from poor technique
 
kcates said:
man, i learn new stuff all the time. These will be estimated ranges but should be close so there is TRT 100-150, TRT+ 150-250, Then there is sports TRT 250-350, and bodybuilder TRT 400+. Is there anything after bodybuilder?
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Mainly stops at bodybuilding TRT, after its all cycles :D
 
kcates said:
Nice, do you pin your own glute or hip? I haven't tried that yet. I have the wife do it for me.
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Ya hip (ventro glute) is my favorite. I use glutes too. I hold and get my wife to push the plunger.

Can't use glutes with an insulin pin tho. I go delts, ventro glutes and quads with the insulin pins.
 
moreReps21 said:
Red meat I can get behind for sure! IDK if I'd go with tren, but never say never they say haha...
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bro should sleep in red meat too. let it absorb like this guy

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Rotate sites I go shoulder shoulder glute glute then repeat
 
kcates said:
I am not sure what a ventro glute is I am going to have to look that one up
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Just below your hip put your hand there. Then take a step and you'll feel the muscle flex. It wraps around to your body from just below your hip, back to your glute.
 
kcates said:
thats the same thing i do unless its a glute day and my wife left for work. Then i may pin my thigh.
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Just try not to pin quads :D
 
moreReps21 said:
Hi EVO,

Been using the forums for a little while now, it's amazing how much I've learned on here. I have a few questions that I hope aren't to silly to ask.. but I'm new to all of this and getting different answers while searching around.

I've recently started TRT(just 2 weeks in). I'm 35yrs old and had been feeling off as of late so went to get my levels checked and they came back at

Total T = 17.0 nmol/l
Free T = 326 pmol/L
LH = 5.4 IU/L
FSH = 4 IU/L
(the test didn't include SHBG / Estradiol)

And the Doc(at a TRT clinic) here in Canada said TRT could be beneficial to getting me back to feeling as I have in the past. I'm in love with training and have been doing so for about 4 years, so I'm eager to get my levels up and keep grinding away in the gym. A cycle is something I am hoping to do sometime after locking in a TRT dose that puts me at the right level. However long that may take.

We have started @ a dose of 120mg/wk of test cyp(IM injections).

As of now she has me doing it 1x per week(every Tuesday), Most people I've asked say the more frequent the injections the better(2x or 3x/wk)
We're going to be checking bloods again after 6 weeks of being on. My question for this is should I request doing it 2x/wk next time we meet up for the test review? Is it really less beneficial to be doing it just 1x?

And is their any difference in where I pin? (glutes/delts). And If I need to pin near my workout time, Is it ok for me to work my delts say ~1hr after pinning them? or should I avoid stressing the area?

Thanks for reading!
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Hey fellow Canadian :) Welcome to Evo! 120 mg of cyp per week is a great starting point. It will be important as you mention to get blood work every 6 weeks and make adjustments accordingly. We all have different response to testosterone. If you are a prone responder like me, you might end up being in the right range right away. As for glutes vs delts, i'm more confortable pinning in the glutes. Especially if it's for TRT usage. No need to over complicate things. I was pinning twice a week on my end, but that is just personal preference. Cyp has got long half life so once a week is fine, no doubt.
 
stevesmi said:
the esters release slowly in cypionate as it has a long half life. of course injecting cyp once a week is fine. even once every 2 weeks would be perfectly fine. if you want to inject less often you can also request nebido or test U which has a super long half life where you only have to inject once ever 2-3 months. and there is also sustanon which you only need to inject once every 2-3 weeks max since it has a decanoate ester
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Sustanon still needs at least E3.5D/twice a week dosing to be stable. 2 to 3 weeks is too long of a break. The problem is the short esters which is half of the dose almost die within a week. The decanoate would also have peaked on the 3rd day itself if MCT oil is used. The second week would be a slump week of decanoate tailing if doing Every other week. Its an useless mix of esters unless you enjoy peaks of short esters by injecting every other day.

Here is the release graph of EOD
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Twice a week
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Once a week

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Once a fortnight
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S3xy Chick said:
Sustanon still needs at least E3.5D/twice a week dosing to be stable. 2 to 3 weeks is too long of a break. The problem is the short esters which is half of the dose almost die within a week. The decanoate would also have peaked on the 3rd day itself if MCT oil is used. The second week would be a slump week of decanoate tailing if doing Every other week. Its an useless mix of esters unless you enjoy peaks of short esters by injecting every other day.

Here is the release graph of EOD
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Twice a week
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Once a week

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Once a fortnight
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I have a question about the peaks. If used EOD would that more closely mimic what our bodies do with our natural production? From what I understand is we peak more in the mornings and drop by evening.
 
kcates said:
I have a question about the peaks. If used EOD would that more closely mimic what our bodies do with our natural production? From what I understand is we peak more in the mornings and drop by evening.
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Testosterone cream / test acetate would probably help micic that. I am currently in the initial days of trying out Test prop and even that takes almost 1.5 days to clear and feel the slump(this is with overlapping test cyp tail injected a week ago).
 
S3xy Chick said:
Testosterone cream / test acetate would probably help micic that. I am currently in the initial days of trying out Test prop and even that takes almost 1.5 days to clear and feel the slump(this is with overlapping test cyp tail injected a week ago).
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I was just curious for my own knowledge, I inject test cyp EOD I like that. I was just curious about the Sustenon. I am not going to use cream prefer the injections.look forward to hearing about how test prop goes.
 
S3xy Chick said:
Sustanon still needs at least E3.5D/twice a week dosing to be stable. 2 to 3 weeks is too long of a break. The problem is the short esters which is half of the dose almost die within a week. The decanoate would also have peaked on the 3rd day itself if MCT oil is used. The second week would be a slump week of decanoate tailing if doing Every other week. Its an useless mix of esters unless you enjoy peaks of short esters by injecting every other day.

Here is the release graph of EOD
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Twice a week
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Once a week

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Once a fortnight
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are those charts including injecting on a set schedule? because you can pull up those charts on any ester and make the same argument if you are only going to inject once

the pharma companies that design sustanon say in their guides to pin it at a higher dose infrquently. they don't say to pin it every 3 days. the idea is each ester picks up after one another. as one dies off another takes over. now this does not happen UNTIL the hormones reach peak concentrations then its levels off.

you can make the same arguments for nebido. which requires an injection once every 10-16 weeks. pinning it more then that is microdosing. i would be curious to see you chart that one and i bet you would get similar results, but that is normal. over the long term as it reaches peak concentration those ups and downs will balance out.

the bottom line in either case yes i agree with you sustanon or nebido are bad choices for those running short cycles under 12 weeks or even 16 weeks or longer. they should only be used for those who are on TRT or cruising as this is what they were designed for. pinning more with less frequency
 
stevesmi said:
are those charts including injecting on a set schedule? because you can pull up those charts on any ester and make the same argument if you are only going to inject once

the pharma companies that design sustanon say in their guides to pin it at a higher dose infrquently. they don't say to pin it every 3 days. the idea is each ester picks up after one another. as one dies off another takes over. now this does not happen UNTIL the hormones reach peak concentrations then its levels off.

you can make the same arguments for nebido. which requires an injection once every 10-16 weeks. pinning it more then that is microdosing
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The problem is one ester does not hand over to another. For example, the decanoate is not waiting for the first 3 esters to finish releasing as the company have us imagine. They all start acting as soon as its injected parallely. Prop peaks in 12 to 18 hours in MCT, phenyl prop maybe 24 to 36 hours, isocor at around 2 to 2.5 days and decanoate in 3 to 5 days. So after injecting, when decanote is peaking say on 4th or 5th day, Prop is gone. Phenylprop is almost less than half. iso is at half. and decanoate is at its peak. So you get a nice peak for these 2 to 4 days - mostly peak concentrating at the first 2 days. The beginning of the second week, the smaller 3 esters almost vanish, except the isocor. The decanoate would have released 40% of it. So you are essentially starting the second week with just 60% of decanoate- which itself is just half of the total esters. On top of that decanoate is just 60% test by ester weight so you essentially beginning 2nd week with just 25% of the total test dose. I am just approxiating it, it might be a little more.

Yes the charts are injections at set schedule as mentioned as top of each of them. Each peak is an injection and the horizontal numbers are days. There is no sustanon in the charts list, so i put all 4 esters parallely. If you average them out, that is cut the peaks and put them in valleys, they all come to 15 to 17ish mgs.

The advantage of having decanoate in sustanon is that if you inject every 3 or 4 days, the decanoate will cushion the fall. But if you do it once every 10 days or 2 weeks, even decanoate wont help. However for stability, if the entire sustanon was just decanoate, it would have been a much better curve over 2 weeks.
 
stevesmi said:
you can make the same arguments for nebido. which requires an injection once every 10-16 weeks. pinning it more then that is microdosing. i would be curious to see you chart that one and i bet you would get similar results, but that is normal. over the long term as it reaches peak concentration those ups and downs will balance out.

the bottom line in either case yes i agree with you sustanon or nebido are bad choices for those running short cycles under 12 weeks or even 16 weeks or longer. they should only be used for those who are on TRT or cruising as this is what they were designed for. pinning more with less frequency
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The problem is the existing TRT education the endos have is wrong or old. 12 to 16 weeks to pin should never happen. Its only for those people who cant pin themselves and cant go to a clinic frequently in the first place. Large bolus dose means huge peaks at the beginning with much aromatisation with a larger tails from the 2nd month. Even with undecanoate pinning once a month makes much more sense. If you go as far as 16 weeks, at the end of 16 weeks his test levels would be less than what he was hypogonadal.

Here is Test U 1000mg every 8 weeks - tahts the maximum time frame the tool gives me.
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Test U 500mg every month. Definitely not microdosing. Instead I would call once every 16 weeks as Wrong ancient dosing.

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250mg every forthnight - This is ideal with less aromatisation and more stable harmone and mood in those suseptible.
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For comparision this is pure decanoate 250mg every forthnight. Definitely better than sustanon every 2 weeks but not comparable to Test U.
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No I was considering all these with long term TRT in mind, not blast and cruise (for which Test E and Test C are better options.)
 
S3xy Chick said:
The problem is the existing TRT education the endos have is wrong or old. 12 to 16 weeks to pin should never happen. Its only for those people who cant pin themselves and cant go to a clinic frequently in the first place. Large bolus dose means huge peaks at the beginning with much aromatisation with a larger tails from the 2nd month. Even with undecanoate pinning once a month makes much more sense. If you go as far as 16 weeks, at the end of 16 weeks his test levels would be less than what he was hypogonadal.

Here is Test U 1000mg every 8 weeks - tahts the maximum time frame the tool gives me.
View attachment 116243


Test U 500mg every month. Definitely not microdosing. Instead I would call once every 16 weeks as Wrong ancient dosing.

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250mg every forthnight - This is ideal with less aromatisation and more stable harmone and mood in those suseptible.
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For comparision this is pure decanoate 250mg every forthnight. Definitely better than sustanon every 2 weeks but not comparable to Test U.
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No I was considering all these with long term TRT in mind, not blast and cruise (for which Test E and Test C are better options.)
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are these charts accurate? or are they just AI generated and guess work based on that. when it comes to this i trust bloodwork 100%. 99% of legit trt doctors put their clients on test cyp once a week and their bloods are stable from everything i have seen over the years. they don't need to pin 2x a week for example.
 
S3xy Chick said:
The problem is one ester does not hand over to another. For example, the decanoate is not waiting for the first 3 esters to finish releasing as the company have us imagine. They all start acting as soon as its injected parallely. Prop peaks in 12 to 18 hours in MCT, phenyl prop maybe 24 to 36 hours, isocor at around 2 to 2.5 days and decanoate in 3 to 5 days. So after injecting, when decanote is peaking say on 4th or 5th day, Prop is gone. Phenylprop is almost less than half. iso is at half. and decanoate is at its peak. So you get a nice peak for these 2 to 4 days - mostly peak concentrating at the first 2 days. The beginning of the second week, the smaller 3 esters almost vanish, except the isocor. The decanoate would have released 40% of it. So you are essentially starting the second week with just 60% of decanoate- which itself is just half of the total esters. On top of that decanoate is just 60% test by ester weight so you essentially beginning 2nd week with just 25% of the total test dose. I am just approxiating it, it might be a little more.

Yes the charts are injections at set schedule as mentioned as top of each of them. Each peak is an injection and the horizontal numbers are days. There is no sustanon in the charts list, so i put all 4 esters parallely. If you average them out, that is cut the peaks and put them in valleys, they all come to 15 to 17ish mgs.

The advantage of having decanoate in sustanon is that if you inject every 3 or 4 days, the decanoate will cushion the fall. But if you do it once every 10 days or 2 weeks, even decanoate wont help. However for stability, if the entire sustanon was just decanoate, it would have been a much better curve over 2 weeks.
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'hand over to another' is a bad analogy on my part. the point is the esters slow release. it will take time for the balance to take place 4-5x the half life. so the person won't achieve an equal amount of esters coming and going until that point. so my point is that roller coaster is normal atleast in the short term but long term it balances out. with sust since it has the deca ester it will need 9 or 10 weeks to get to that point if you take a 15 day half life X 4-5. that is a long time
 
stevesmi said:
are these charts accurate? or are they just AI generated and guess work based on that. when it comes to this i trust bloodwork 100%. 99% of legit trt doctors put their clients on test cyp once a week and their bloods are stable from everything i have seen over the years. they don't need to pin 2x a week for example.
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These are not AI generated graphs. There are tools to plot them as its very simple science - just reduce the graph based on thier half life.

https://steroidwiki.com/calculators/steroid-cycle-plotter/

You can add any number of esters parallely or sequentually.
 
stevesmi said:
'hand over to another' is a bad analogy on my part. the point is the esters slow release. it will take time for the balance to take place 4-5x the half life. so the person won't achieve an equal amount of esters coming and going until that point. so my point is that roller coaster is normal atleast in the short term but long term it balances out. with sust since it has the deca ester it will need 9 or 10 weeks to get to that point if you take a 15 day half life X 4-5. that is a long time
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The half life of an ester depends on oil also. If its castar oil it will have the longest half life, MCT will have shorter half life. So you cannot generalise deca to have 15 day half life. Also, the majority of the balance will happen in the first 3 to 4 half life and the final smoothening out in the 5th half life. You can see in the Test U graph above where forthnightly injections are done, it takes a few half lifes to increase. However when sustanon is done once every 2 weeks, the majority of the test is flushed out to even have that half life "building" effect. In other words, you are waiting till you get back ot the baseline to start the next dose, so very little gets built up.
 
S3xy Chick said:
These are not AI generated graphs. There are tools to plot them as its very simple science - just reduce the graph based on thier half life.

https://steroidwiki.com/calculators/steroid-cycle-plotter/

You can add any number of esters parallely or sequentually.
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thats a handy site. but a lot of their #'s are off vs. what the pharma companies charts have and waht bloodwork actually shows.
i would not trust it as gospel, just as a tool
 
stevesmi said:
thats a handy site. but a lot of their #'s are off vs. what the pharma companies charts have and waht bloodwork actually shows.
i would not trust it as gospel, just as a tool
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Agree, but this is a steriod forums where most people are always above super physiological levels. If you look at facebook TRT groups, there are so so so many complaints of how people started feeling more shittier after they started TRT with an endo who did not allow for frequent injections and ended up in private clinics. Even in Australia I have come across 100s of such cases in FB groups. They even post blood works that were similar or less than when they started at the end of 12 weeks after injection. The ones that were happy with thier endos were the ones who got prescription for test enanthate and split thier doses themselves OR when the doctor allowed/advised them to do so. Another problem with nebido and other Test U is that they dont contain BA if you read the contents, so not sure if official channels can even adminster them in a split manner. Sustanon among them is the worse due to half of it being short and super short esters. Maybe there are plenty folks who are happy and never hop on to FB groups to complain with weekly on forthnightly injections, but split injection will help everyone universally.

Take my own case for example, am unfortunately androgenically sensitive and if my free T goes above 800 or 900(at trough levels for reference) my heart starts racing. If I had to do once a week cyp injection, the beginning of the week would be a high HR drama, followed by a low as I metabolise drugs faster(not just cyp - almost every drug) for whatever reason. With Enanthate, its a bigger drama as it peaks much higher and even E3D I can feel the slump. Cyp E3D is the minimum for me. I feel more stable and calm when the curve is much flatter. Might even consider Forthnightly Test U after a front load.
 
S3xy Chick said:
Agree, but this is a steriod forums where most people are always above super physiological levels. If you look at facebook TRT groups, there are so so so many complaints of how people started feeling more shittier after they started TRT with an endo who did not allow for frequent injections and ended up in private clinics. Even in Australia I have come across 100s of such cases in FB groups. They even post blood works that were similar or less than when they started at the end of 12 weeks after injection. The ones that were happy with thier endos were the ones who got prescription for test enanthate and split thier doses themselves OR when the doctor allowed/advised them to do so. Another problem with nebido and other Test U is that they dont contain BA if you read the contents, so not sure if official channels can even adminster them in a split manner. Sustanon among them is the worse due to half of it being short and super short esters. Maybe there are plenty folks who are happy and never hop on to FB groups to complain with weekly on forthnightly injections, but split injection will help everyone universally.

Take my own case for example, am unfortunately androgenically sensitive and if my free T goes above 800 or 900(at trough levels for reference) my heart starts racing. If I had to do once a week cyp injection, the beginning of the week would be a high HR drama, followed by a low as I metabolise drugs faster(not just cyp - almost every drug) for whatever reason. With Enanthate, its a bigger drama as it peaks much higher and even E3D I can feel the slump. Cyp E3D is the minimum for me. I feel more stable and calm when the curve is much flatter. Might even consider Forthnightly Test U after a front load.
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my advice is do what makes you feel right. at the end of the day that is gonna be the best solution for you
 
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