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the sparta clen from ugl oz is most certainly not clen absolutely 0 stimulant like effects on 80mcg let alone 40mcg yes its from ugloz.is no it wasn't an impersonation website.
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The above claim by @Lokibuysbunk has been found to be invalid for the following reasons.

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UGL OZ said:
No attempts to contact us have been made from what I can see.

Putting aside the fact that there's been a string of fake reviews created by troll accounts for a moment -

@Lokibuysbunk - side effects should not be used as an indicator to measure a product's legitimacy or efficacy. You don't need to have your heart exploding out of your chest or be convulsing on the floor to receive confirmation that the clen is doing its job.

A couple of questions for you:
  1. What is your order ID? Have you reached out to support? If not, why?
  2. Why does the photo look like it was taken on a webcam from 2003 and cropped? Looks odd.
There is significant individual variability in tolerance levels between clen users which is why using sides as a way to measure it's efficacy or legitimacy simply doesn't work. There are people who experience sides at doses as low as 40mcg while others may experience minimal to none at doses as high as 160mcg or more.

It helps to have a basic understanding of how it works to explain why this is the case. Clenbuterol is a beta-2 adrenergic receptor agonist - these receptors are found in cells in a variety of tissues and organs and also play a big role in your body's sympathetic nervous system. As an agonist, clen will bind itself to these receptors in order to produce a response.

Clen's mechanism of action is multifaceted, but one way it promotes weight loss is the result of fat cells containing a large amount of these receptors and clen's ability to activate them - this will start a metabolic process called lipolysis (put simply: it triggers a response to break these fat cells down).

The sympathetic stimulant feeling that some people may experience with the use of clen does not have any impact on its metabolic mechanisms - meaning that whether or not you "feel" that stimulant feeling that you've referred to, it's still effectively doing its job.

Using sides to gauge whether clen is working is just one of the many misconceptions about what to expect from clen in the bodybuilding world, ranging from how to assess its legitimacy to the recommended doses and usage protocols (eg: titrating up to ridiculously high doses and cycling every 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). This largely stems from a lack of data supporting these claims at the time and decades old broscience being perpetuated throughout bodybuilding forums that is still being parroted to this day.

In reality, you don't need to "feel" any sides. You don't need to "cycle" its use. There is no hard cap on how long you can use it for (but be reasonable here, there really isn't any reason to run it for an excessive duration).

Bottom line is that in most cases you can achieve what you want by running it a low to moderate dose over a longer duration until you've reached your desired outcome without ever feeling any sides at all - and that is completely normal.

If your post is legitimate, please reach out to support and provide your order ID so that we can verify your purchase: [email protected]

By posting to a forum where we are well known and highly respected, while also making no effort to reach out to support at any time prior, and then claiming that the motivation behind your post isn't to slander us is disingenuous. If a customer has any doubts about a product, the most reasonable thing to do would be to contact the vendor and give them the opportunity to diagnose any problems.

Clen is one of our biggest sellers. We have many members of the community here that would be happy to share their experiences - some of which are doing just that in their logs.

If you are in fact a customer and this is a verified purchase, we'll also arrange for you to send the product to Janoshik for HPLC testing: https://janoshik.com/

We'll cover the costs of the tests, shipping, and also send you a replacement product for the trouble. I stand by all of our products and have absolutely nothing to hide.

But until we verify you as a customer, this post does not hold any legitimacy regarding the claims being made.

AJ
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Lokibuysbunk said:
the sparta clen from ugl oz is most certainly not clen absolutely 0 stimulant like effects on 80mcg let alone 40mcg yes its from ugloz.is no it wasn't an impersonation website.
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Have you got it tested ? You have the product.. post photos of it with your username..

No one is going to believe a word out of your mouth.
 
CypherOCE said:
Have you got it tested ? You have the product.. post photos of it with your username..

No one is going to believe a word out of your mouth.
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If i was a less diplomatic person I'd say something like I'm surprised he has any words coming out of his mouth with all the cocks in there.
But im better then that soooo proof please 🙏
 
I have personally used it for prep and it work very well. This is another attempt to slander a great Vendor in @UGL OZ. If you can't provide and proof or testing results. As you just joined 40 minutes ago. Your post will be treated like a grain of salt
 
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Lokibuysbunk said:
the sparta clen from ugl oz is most certainly not clen absolutely 0 stimulant like effects on 80mcg let alone 40mcg yes its from ugloz.is no it wasn't an impersonation website.
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@Lokibuysbunk post evidence of your order and product picture. 72 hour notice for you.
@UGL OZ has highly respected and quality products.
 
Pigsy said:
I have personally used it for prep and it work very well. This is another attempt to slander a great Vendor in @UGL OZ. If you can't provide and proof or testing results. As you just joined 40 minutes ago. Your post will be treated like a grain of salt
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I am using their test and it seems to be fine I'm getting my first bloods on it next week and yes I joined 40 minutes ago to post this I'm pissed off that its fake
 
CypherOCE said:
Have you got it tested ? You have the product.. post photos of it with your username..

No one is going to believe a word out of your mouth.
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I'm not here to slander I'm here because I'm mad I'm pretty sure the test I'm using from them is good but this is shit
 

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Lokibuysbunk said:
I'm not here to slander I'm here because I'm mad I'm pretty sure the test I'm using from them is good but this is shit
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When did you buy it? Please post your username on paper next to the product also.. post evidence you bought it and the conversation with UGLoz.

Everyone will be skeptical of your claims without the above so it’s advised to post everything you can.

Have you tried talking to @UGL OZ or @UGL OZ Support Rep about your issue?
 
What makes you think it fake. Only thing I noticed was increased resting heart rate. And a little mind awareness.

Just because your not getting sides, does not mean it's fake.

It would have been better to deal.with this with the Vendor. @UGL OZ
 
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CypherOCE said:
When did you buy it? Please post your username on paper next to the product also.. post evidence you bought it and the conversation with UGLoz.

Everyone will be skeptical of your claims without the above so it’s advised to post everything you can.

Have you tried talking to @UGL OZ or @UGL OZ Support Rep about your issue?
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No he hasn't
 
Lokibuysbunk said:
I'm not here to slander I'm here because I'm mad I'm pretty sure the test I'm using from them is good but this is shit
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@Lokibuysbunk you need to post a normal picture of the clen, this is the worst picture I've seen in a long time.

I can personally vouch for @UGL OZ they are a solid supplier for Aussies.
 
CypherOCE said:
When did you buy it? Please post your username on paper next to the product also.. post evidence you bought it and the conversation with UGLoz.

Everyone will be skeptical of your claims without the above so it’s advised to post everything you can.

Have you tried talking to @UGL OZ or @UGL OZ Support Rep about your issue?
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No attempts to contact us have been made from what I can see.

Putting aside the fact that there's been a string of fake reviews created by troll accounts for a moment -

@Lokibuysbunk - side effects should not be used as an indicator to measure a product's legitimacy or efficacy. You don't need to have your heart exploding out of your chest or be convulsing on the floor to receive confirmation that the clen is doing its job.

A couple of questions for you:
  1. What is your order ID? Have you reached out to support? If not, why?
  2. Why does the photo look like it was taken on a webcam from 2003 and cropped? Looks odd.
There is significant individual variability in tolerance levels between clen users which is why using sides as a way to measure it's efficacy or legitimacy simply doesn't work. There are people who experience sides at doses as low as 40mcg while others may experience minimal to none at doses as high as 160mcg or more.

It helps to have a basic understanding of how it works to explain why this is the case. Clenbuterol is a beta-2 adrenergic receptor agonist - these receptors are found in cells in a variety of tissues and organs and also play a big role in your body's sympathetic nervous system. As an agonist, clen will bind itself to these receptors in order to produce a response.

Clen's mechanism of action is multifaceted, but one way it promotes weight loss is the result of fat cells containing a large amount of these receptors and clen's ability to activate them - this will start a metabolic process called lipolysis (put simply: it triggers a response to break these fat cells down).

The sympathetic stimulant feeling that some people may experience with the use of clen does not have any impact on its metabolic mechanisms - meaning that whether or not you "feel" that stimulant feeling that you've referred to, it's still effectively doing its job.

Using sides to gauge whether clen is working is just one of the many misconceptions about what to expect from clen in the bodybuilding world, ranging from how to assess its legitimacy to the recommended doses and usage protocols (eg: titrating up to ridiculously high doses and cycling every 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). This largely stems from a lack of data supporting these claims at the time and decades old broscience being perpetuated throughout bodybuilding forums that is still being parroted to this day.

In reality, you don't need to "feel" any sides. You don't need to "cycle" its use. There is no hard cap on how long you can use it for (but be reasonable here, there really isn't any reason to run it for an excessive duration).

Bottom line is that in most cases you can achieve what you want by running it a low to moderate dose over a longer duration until you've reached your desired outcome without ever feeling any sides at all - and that is completely normal.

If your post is legitimate, please reach out to support and provide your order ID so that we can verify your purchase: [email protected]

By posting to a forum where we are well known and highly respected, while also making no effort to reach out to support at any time prior, and then claiming that the motivation behind your post isn't to slander us is disingenuous. If a customer has any doubts about a product, the most reasonable thing to do would be to contact the vendor and give them the opportunity to diagnose any problems.

Clen is one of our biggest sellers. We have many members of the community here that would be happy to share their experiences - some of which are doing just that in their logs.

If you are in fact a customer and this is a verified purchase, we'll also arrange for you to send the product to Janoshik for HPLC testing: https://janoshik.com/

We'll cover the costs of the tests, shipping, and also send you a replacement product for the trouble. I stand by all of our products and have absolutely nothing to hide.

But until we verify you as a customer, this post does not hold any legitimacy regarding the claims being made.

AJ
 
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This is tiring...

Have you raised concerns with AJ ?

Or you just run direct to forum to create an account to slander ? Makes total sense right coz that's what I do when I have a question about my products.

This is garbage.. poor efforts of slander of one of Australia's largest and longest serving vendors.

AJ is a true gentleman and if this were a real issue, it should have been raised with @UGL OZ or their rep privately.. and would have been dealt with. But it's not the case at all

I call bullshit. How embarrassing
 
John Carmack said:
Bro, even the pics of Yeti are more clearer than that. Not sayin you did not buy, but posting that pic only makes your claim suspicious.
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I think the only bunk thing our new friend has bought is his camera. @Lokibuysbunk Did you try buying a Canon and end up with a Temu knock off called Canoff or something? Maybe there's a forum you can post about that too.

But that would imply he actually took the photo which I find to be unlikely. He's probably found a photo that someone else has posted online and cropped and distorted it to make it harder to trace back to the original source. This would explain the unusual dimensions, cropping, and potato cam quality of the pic he posted.

I could be wrong but given how things have played out recently, it wouldn't surprise me. This guy's username is literally "Loki" - a figure in Norse mythology known for his trickery and trolling...

AJ
 
UGL OZ said:
@Lokibuysbunk Did you try buying a Canon and end up with a Temu knock off called Canoff or something?

AJ
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I will challenge you to a pack of UGL OZ Clen that a Temu knock off would still have done a better job :ROFLMAO:
UGL OZ said:
But that would imply he actually took the photo which I find to be unlikely. He's probably found a photo that someone else has posted online and cropped and distorted it to make it harder to trace back to the original source. This would explain the unusual dimensions, cropping, and potato cam quality of the pic he posted.

AJ
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This exact thought crossed my mind. There would be plenty of gear p0rn posts and he cropped it off.
 
Lokibuysbunk said:
I tried one a day and two a day and felt literally nothing so I bought clen from a different source its on its way maybe I'm high tolerance and jumping to conclusions but feeling absolutely nothing on 80mcg seems suspicious
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It not all about side effects. I used many different labs and pharma. Never had sides. Do you measure resting heart rate at all? Before and after
 
TeeGee said:
This is tiring...

Have you raised concerns with AJ ?

Or you just run direct to forum to create an account to slander ? Makes total sense right coz that's what I do when I have a question about my products.

This is garbage.. poor efforts of slander of one of Australia's largest and longest serving vendors.

AJ is a true gentleman and if this were a real issue, it should have been raised with @UGL OZ or their rep privately.. and would have been dealt with. But it's not the case at all

I call bullshit. How embarrassing
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my bad I made a decision while I was upset
 
UGL OZ said:
No attempts to contact us have been made from what I can see.

Putting aside the fact that there's been a string of fake reviews created by troll accounts for a moment -

@Lokibuysbunk - side effects should not be used as an indicator to measure a product's legitimacy or efficacy. You don't need to have your heart exploding out of your chest or be convulsing on the floor to receive confirmation that the clen is doing its job.

A couple of questions for you:
  1. What is your order ID? Have you reached out to support? If not, why?
  2. Why does the photo look like it was taken on a webcam from 2003 and cropped? Looks odd.
There is significant individual variability in tolerance levels between clen users which is why using sides as a way to measure it's efficacy or legitimacy simply doesn't work. There are people who experience sides at doses as low as 40mcg while others may experience minimal to none at doses as high as 160mcg or more.

It helps to have a basic understanding of how it works to explain why this is the case. Clenbuterol is a beta-2 adrenergic receptor agonist - these receptors are found in cells in a variety of tissues and organs and also play a big role in your body's sympathetic nervous system. As an agonist, clen will bind itself to these receptors in order to produce a response.

Clen's mechanism of action is multifaceted, but one way it promotes weight loss is the result of fat cells containing a large amount of these receptors and clen's ability to activate them - this will start a metabolic process called lipolysis (put simply: it triggers a response to break these fat cells down).

The sympathetic stimulant feeling that some people may experience with the use of clen does not have any impact on its metabolic mechanisms - meaning that whether or not you "feel" that stimulant feeling that you've referred to, it's still effectively doing its job.

Using sides to gauge whether clen is working is just one of the many misconceptions about what to expect from clen in the bodybuilding world, ranging from how to assess its legitimacy to the recommended doses and usage protocols (eg: titrating up to ridiculously high doses and cycling every 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). This largely stems from a lack of data supporting these claims at the time and decades old broscience being perpetuated throughout bodybuilding forums that is still being parroted to this day.

In reality, you don't need to "feel" any sides. You don't need to "cycle" its use. There is no hard cap on how long you can use it for (but be reasonable here, there really isn't any reason to run it for an excessive duration).

Bottom line is that in most cases you can achieve what you want by running it a low to moderate dose over a longer duration until you've reached your desired outcome without ever feeling any sides at all - and that is completely normal.

If your post is legitimate, please reach out to support and provide your order ID so that we can verify your purchase: [email protected]

By posting to a forum where we are well known and highly respected, while also making no effort to reach out to support at any time prior, and then claiming that the motivation behind your post isn't to slander us is disingenuous. If a customer has any doubts about a product, the most reasonable thing to do would be to contact the vendor and give them the opportunity to diagnose any problems.

Clen is one of our biggest sellers. We have many members of the community here that would be happy to share their experiences - some of which are doing just that in their logs.

If you are in fact a customer and this is a verified purchase, we'll also arrange for you to send the product to Janoshik for HPLC testing: https://janoshik.com/

We'll cover the costs of the tests, shipping, and also send you a replacement product for the trouble. I stand by all of our products and have absolutely nothing to hide.

But until we verify you as a customer, this post does not hold any legitimacy regarding the claims being made.

AJ
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Fantastic response! Professional, informative and you even offered a solution at your expense. This is the kind of stuff we love to see from suppliers!! 🙌🏼
 
Lokibuysbunk said:
I apologise for my poor pc camera quality heres a better pic of the test from my phone
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Lokibuysbunk said:
there you go smarty pants I was just too lazy to take a pic on my phone
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i read this thread 2 times, and you do have pics! but that dont mean the clean is fake, how about we get it tested? @Lokibuysbunk and i think whole Aussie evo family should chime in not just me
@UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep @R&Dpharma @Liquid Gold Labs @Liquid Gold Labs Rep @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep @ODINLABS @OdinLabsRep @Core Pharma @Core Pharma Rep @GENTEXLaboratories @GENTEXLaboratories REP @ZenithHealth @Sassy's Pharmaceuticals @Anabolic Advancements
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Noah Wixx @Mobster @Npcclassicphysique champ @ceo @ROIDDERS @stevesmi @BodyMonster34 @s.gentz @Ulter @ballin2504 @Pigsy @Quadsweep
@Farmer bob @DinoSaur @B3rnie @Heavygripper @Corn Gromwell @Gains Man @R M @I Need it @electus @Rogue888 @Woodiee @Menzy @AE1079 @Seventieschild @mads @Smiley G @Tommo2398 @TeeGee @Snayaz @Oracle911 @Smidday @MarshMonsta @PopRox19 @coolguy77711 @Stamz @Ben10 @willipede @JackedPingu @Trenhead3cc @Bakery112 @FluffyBunny @King.odyssey @L J B @Dumptruck @Mini Hulk @Eveflorence @aussie.muncher @Caramelman89 @Yuri @Allupfromhere @CypherOCE @BigCheese2000 @codezz @Fmos @Wheelhouse87 @Grumpy @Classic95 @Iron_queen @Juiceypumba @FullRetard @Robules @Dreamer @Nimble brick @homegrown strong @Biton @Oldmanchops @JBond24 @Ratatata @Alex1909 @Supraslx77 @PassiveHulk @Bluebone @FattyAU @R. AP @Tamas @PRorER @Justthatdude @Juicehead55 @rizzlekdizzle @Ohdamn @Freki @poopoobum @hypogaeum @Snayaz @spike @bullybreed @donkeypunchbub @gar71 @Flyingandrei @juddy @Ausbbing23 @lukeobz80 @Porky21 @Dr. Dolittle @haydz
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
i read this thread 2 times, and you do have pics! but that dont mean the clean is fake, how about we get it tested? @Lokibuysbunk and i think whole Aussie evo family should chime in not just me
@UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep @R&Dpharma @Liquid Gold Labs @Liquid Gold Labs Rep @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep @ODINLABS @OdinLabsRep @Core Pharma @Core Pharma Rep @GENTEXLaboratories @GENTEXLaboratories REP @ZenithHealth @Sassy's Pharmaceuticals @Anabolic Advancements
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Noah Wixx @Mobster @Npcclassicphysique champ @ceo @ROIDDERS @stevesmi @BodyMonster34 @s.gentz @Ulter @ballin2504 @Pigsy @Quadsweep
@Farmer bob @DinoSaur @B3rnie @Heavygripper @Corn Gromwell @Gains Man @R M @I Need it @electus @Rogue888 @Woodiee @Menzy @AE1079 @Seventieschild @mads @Smiley G @Tommo2398 @TeeGee @Snayaz @Oracle911 @Smidday @MarshMonsta @PopRox19 @coolguy77711 @Stamz @Ben10 @willipede @JackedPingu @Trenhead3cc @Bakery112 @FluffyBunny @King.odyssey @L J B @Dumptruck @Mini Hulk @Eveflorence @aussie.muncher @Caramelman89 @Yuri @Allupfromhere @CypherOCE @BigCheese2000 @codezz @Fmos @Wheelhouse87 @Grumpy @Classic95 @Iron_queen @Juiceypumba @FullRetard @Robules @Dreamer @Nimble brick @homegrown strong @Biton @Oldmanchops @JBond24 @Ratatata @Alex1909 @Supraslx77 @PassiveHulk @Bluebone @FattyAU @R. AP @Tamas @PRorER @Justthatdude @Juicehead55 @rizzlekdizzle @Ohdamn @Freki @poopoobum @hypogaeum @Snayaz @spike @bullybreed @donkeypunchbub @gar71 @Flyingandrei @juddy @Ausbbing23 @lukeobz80 @Porky21 @Dr. Dolittle @haydz
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The way he's handle this, I'd have no trust in what he sends away for testing. My 2 cents

The Team at @UGL OZ, if he reach out to them like a normal customer. Would more than likely refunded him, plus paid for the testing of the product.

The team @UGL OZ and @UGL OZ Support Rep are are some best in the business, at handling inquires. So if anyone has questions or issues reach out with them first
 
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Npcclassicphysique champ said:
how would we handle it in that case? @Pigsy
im not a full time mod will need to get more senior mods involved already pinged a few
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If he could come forward with an order number, which you recieve by email from UGLOZ.IS when ordering, then maybe a refund for the clen.
 
these have been popping up every other day, very obviously seems like a ploy against @UGL OZ, everyone here, from people that just started to long standing members even to mods and OTHER vendors can all vouch for UGLOZ and how they operate, personally i can too, never had an issue once ,incredibly professional and im sure if there was an issue with anything if they had gone through the proper channels and spoken to them first about any potential issue they may have had it would of been sorted on the spot.

long story short, i call bollocks
 
Until said complainer provides their order # I think we can deem this as a case closed matter.

We give too much energy to fake trolls taking aim at reputable vendors. I'd love to see the thread closed to further comments @Eddie Haskell as I believe it brings zero value to our community.. if purchase number can be provided privately then great but I think we all know this won't happen
 
I'm yet to have anything bad from @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep and I have used them as a paying customer long before my sponsorship dating back to 2018
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
i read this thread 2 times, and you do have pics! but that dont mean the clean is fake, how about we get it tested? @Lokibuysbunk and i think whole Aussie evo family should chime in not just me
@UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep @R&Dpharma @Liquid Gold Labs @Liquid Gold Labs Rep @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep @ODINLABS @OdinLabsRep @Core Pharma @Core Pharma Rep @GENTEXLaboratories @GENTEXLaboratories REP @ZenithHealth @Sassy's Pharmaceuticals @Anabolic Advancements
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Noah Wixx @Mobster @Npcclassicphysique champ @ceo @ROIDDERS @stevesmi @BodyMonster34 @s.gentz @Ulter @ballin2504 @Pigsy @Quadsweep
@Farmer bob @DinoSaur @B3rnie @Heavygripper @Corn Gromwell @Gains Man @R M @I Need it @electus @Rogue888 @Woodiee @Menzy @AE1079 @Seventieschild @mads @Smiley G @Tommo2398 @TeeGee @Snayaz @Oracle911 @Smidday @MarshMonsta @PopRox19 @coolguy77711 @Stamz @Ben10 @willipede @JackedPingu @Trenhead3cc @Bakery112 @FluffyBunny @King.odyssey @L J B @Dumptruck @Mini Hulk @Eveflorence @aussie.muncher @Caramelman89 @Yuri @Allupfromhere @CypherOCE @BigCheese2000 @codezz @Fmos @Wheelhouse87 @Grumpy @Classic95 @Iron_queen @Juiceypumba @FullRetard @Robules @Dreamer @Nimble brick @homegrown strong @Biton @Oldmanchops @JBond24 @Ratatata @Alex1909 @Supraslx77 @PassiveHulk @Bluebone @FattyAU @R. AP @Tamas @PRorER @Justthatdude @Juicehead55 @rizzlekdizzle @Ohdamn @Freki @poopoobum @hypogaeum @Snayaz @spike @bullybreed @donkeypunchbub @gar71 @Flyingandrei @juddy @Ausbbing23 @lukeobz80 @Porky21 @Dr. Dolittle @haydz
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Looks like it’s the flavour of the month for someone to create new member alts atm and trash talk ugloz who have a solid track record…

Some people have weird hobbies
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
i read this thread 2 times, and you do have pics! but that dont mean the clean is fake, how about we get it tested? @Lokibuysbunk and i think whole Aussie evo family should chime in not just me
@UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep @R&Dpharma @Liquid Gold Labs @Liquid Gold Labs Rep @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep @ODINLABS @OdinLabsRep @Core Pharma @Core Pharma Rep @GENTEXLaboratories @GENTEXLaboratories REP @ZenithHealth @Sassy's Pharmaceuticals @Anabolic Advancements
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Noah Wixx @Mobster @Npcclassicphysique champ @ceo @ROIDDERS @stevesmi @BodyMonster34 @s.gentz @Ulter @ballin2504 @Pigsy @Quadsweep
@Farmer bob @DinoSaur @B3rnie @Heavygripper @Corn Gromwell @Gains Man @R M @I Need it @electus @Rogue888 @Woodiee @Menzy @AE1079 @Seventieschild @mads @Smiley G @Tommo2398 @TeeGee @Snayaz @Oracle911 @Smidday @MarshMonsta @PopRox19 @coolguy77711 @Stamz @Ben10 @willipede @JackedPingu @Trenhead3cc @Bakery112 @FluffyBunny @King.odyssey @L J B @Dumptruck @Mini Hulk @Eveflorence @aussie.muncher @Caramelman89 @Yuri @Allupfromhere @CypherOCE @BigCheese2000 @codezz @Fmos @Wheelhouse87 @Grumpy @Classic95 @Iron_queen @Juiceypumba @FullRetard @Robules @Dreamer @Nimble brick @homegrown strong @Biton @Oldmanchops @JBond24 @Ratatata @Alex1909 @Supraslx77 @PassiveHulk @Bluebone @FattyAU @R. AP @Tamas @PRorER @Justthatdude @Juicehead55 @rizzlekdizzle @Ohdamn @Freki @poopoobum @hypogaeum @Snayaz @spike @bullybreed @donkeypunchbub @gar71 @Flyingandrei @juddy @Ausbbing23 @lukeobz80 @Porky21 @Dr. Dolittle @haydz
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@Npcclassicphysique champ
I think the OP handled this very poorly and of course got defensive when asked for some kind of proof.
He's basing his products legitimacy on side effects which is ridiculous.
He joined Evo seemingly just to bash @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep.
He has violated forum T&C by pretty much slandering @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep.
Seems to me he needs a 2 week time to get his products tested and provide @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep his ordering information to make sure he ordered from the actual sponsored site.
If he is unwilling to do this he should not be welcomed back.
 
s.gentz said:
@Npcclassicphysique champ
I think the OP handled this very poorly and of course got defensive when asked for some kind of proof.
He's basing his products legitimacy on side effects which is ridiculous.
He joined Evo seemingly just to bash @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep.
He has violated forum T&C by pretty much slandering @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep.
Seems to me he needs a 2 week time to get his products tested and provide @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep his ordering information to make sure he ordered from the actual sponsored site.
If he is unwilling to do this he should not be welcomed back.
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Appreciate the support @s.gentz. Just to be clear, though - he can't get anything tested because he's not in possession of any of our products.

He's ignored my requests for more information so we are unable to verify his order(s). His posts are intentionally vague responses which have been accompanied by random (unverified) photos in order to farm engagement and prolong his little rouse.

@CypherOCE made the suggestion that he provide a pic of the products next to a hand written note containing his username. Of course, he failed to do that too. This thread is complete hogwash :)

Eventually his rouse will be up and he'll disappear like the rest of the trolls. Unfortunately this thread will remain long after he is gone so he's still achieved what he set out to do.

(cc: @Eddie Haskell @Pigsy @gearhead @Npcclassicphysique champ @LevButlerov @Noah Wixx - to bring attention to my feedback below):

Honestly, I pay it no mind but I do think EVO needs to have some processes in place to fend against these attacks. At the very least, new accounts with no post history making unsubstantiated claims against reputable vendors which are known and verified within's EVO's very own tiered trust system need to provide proof when making such posts. (ie: providing all the supporting information they can to mods) before they are able to make additional posts to the threads.

Otherwise we continue to have cases where these troll accounts pop up, the threads turn into a complete mockery over the course of several days, until the accounts either disappear or are suspended due to their failure to provide any evidence supporting their claims. In the end, the vendors are the ones left dealing with the mess.

From a vendor standpont, we just want to provide quality products and quality support to customers. We have better things to do than deal with these trolls - they don't deserve any of our time. It's time and resources that is being taking away from other areas of the business which is at the expense of real customers.

Ultimately, it just makes for a hostile environment for everyone. As you can see by the community's response in this thread, they're just as fed up as the vendors having to deal with it. Dealing with these troll accounts has been an ongoing issue on EVO for a very long time and the community has called for action countless times.

If EVO is going to moderate this section, then it's time that EVO actually starts to moderate it. I've seen members of the community that actually provide REAL value being suspended than actual troll accounts. That's a concern and it's something that needs to be addressed imo.

AJ
 
s.gentz said:
@Npcclassicphysique champ
I think the OP handled this very poorly and of course got defensive when asked for some kind of proof.
He's basing his products legitimacy on side effects which is ridiculous.
He joined Evo seemingly just to bash @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep.
He has violated forum T&C by pretty much slandering @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep.
Seems to me he needs a 2 week time to get his products tested and provide @UGL OZ @UGL OZ Support Rep his ordering information to make sure he ordered from the actual sponsored site.
If he is unwilling to do this he should not be welcomed back.
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he did handle it wrong sure
he keeps providing pics, i dont know what to make of it myself @s.gentz
 
UGL OZ said:
You've ignored my reply.

You still haven't provided your order ID.

You still haven't made any attempt to email us.

You still haven't provided any proof that you're just not reposting someone else's photos.

Loki, your claims are not only fabricated, they are complete... fugazi 😱

@Npcclassicphysique champ @Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Pigsy

AJ
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UGL OZ said:
Appreciate the support @s.gentz. Just to be clear, though - he can't get anything tested because he's not in possession of any of our products.

He's ignored my requests for more information so we are unable to verify his order(s). His posts are intentionally vague responses which have been accompanied by random (unverified) photos in order to farm engagement and prolong his little rouse.

@CypherOCE made the suggestion that he provide a pic of the products next to a hand written note containing his username. Of course, he failed to do that too. This thread is complete hogwash :)

Eventually his rouse will be up and he'll disappear like the rest of the trolls. Unfortunately this thread will remain long after he is gone so he's still achieved what he set out to do.

(cc: @Eddie Haskell @Pigsy @gearhead @Npcclassicphysique champ @LevButlerov @Noah Wixx - to bring attention to my feedback below):

Honestly, I pay it no mind but I do think EVO needs to have some processes in place to fend against these attacks. At the very least, new accounts with no post history making unsubstantiated claims against reputable vendors which are known and verified within's EVO's very own tiered trust system need to provide proof when making such posts. (ie: providing all the supporting information they can to mods) before they are able to make additional posts to the threads.

Otherwise we continue to have cases where these troll accounts pop up, the threads turn into a complete mockery over the course of several days, until the accounts either disappear or are suspended due to their failure to provide any evidence supporting their claims. In the end, the vendors are the ones left dealing with the mess.

From a vendor standpont, we just want to provide quality products and quality support to customers. We have better things to do than deal with these trolls - they don't deserve any of our time. It's time and resources that is being taking away from other areas of the business which is at the expense of real customers.

Ultimately, it just makes for a hostile environment for everyone. As you can see by the community's response in this thread, they're just as fed up as the vendors having to deal with it. Dealing with these troll accounts has been an ongoing issue on EVO for a very long time and the community has called for action countless times.

If EVO is going to moderate this section, then it's time that EVO actually starts to moderate it. I've seen members of the community that actually provide REAL value being suspended than actual troll accounts. That's a concern and it's something that needs to be addressed imo.

AJ
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those are hard decisions, im a part time mod this would be hard for me to really say something about
i did contact senior mods to see how this goes from their side
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
rhino? :alien:🦏
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This Alt attacks on some of the best Vendors in Australia. Needs to be hit on the head faster. And threads deleted. They serve no part in the EVO family. Long as threads like this remain visible it will continue. My 2 cents
 
UGL OZ said:
Appreciate the support @s.gentz. Just to be clear, though - he can't get anything tested because he's not in possession of any of our products.

He's ignored my requests for more information so we are unable to verify his order(s). His posts are intentionally vague responses which have been accompanied by random (unverified) photos in order to farm engagement and prolong his little rouse.

@CypherOCE made the suggestion that he provide a pic of the products next to a hand written note containing his username. Of course, he failed to do that too. This thread is complete hogwash :)

Eventually his rouse will be up and he'll disappear like the rest of the trolls. Unfortunately this thread will remain long after he is gone so he's still achieved what he set out to do.

(cc: @Eddie Haskell @Pigsy @gearhead @Npcclassicphysique champ @LevButlerov @Noah Wixx - to bring attention to my feedback below):

Honestly, I pay it no mind but I do think EVO needs to have some processes in place to fend against these attacks. At the very least, new accounts with no post history making unsubstantiated claims against reputable vendors which are known and verified within's EVO's very own tiered trust system need to provide proof when making such posts. (ie: providing all the supporting information they can to mods) before they are able to make additional posts to the threads.

Otherwise we continue to have cases where these troll accounts pop up, the threads turn into a complete mockery over the course of several days, until the accounts either disappear or are suspended due to their failure to provide any evidence supporting their claims. In the end, the vendors are the ones left dealing with the mess.

From a vendor standpont, we just want to provide quality products and quality support to customers. We have better things to do than deal with these trolls - they don't deserve any of our time. It's time and resources that is being taking away from other areas of the business which is at the expense of real customers.

Ultimately, it just makes for a hostile environment for everyone. As you can see by the community's response in this thread, they're just as fed up as the vendors having to deal with it. Dealing with these troll accounts has been an ongoing issue on EVO for a very long time and the community has called for action countless times.

If EVO is going to moderate this section, then it's time that EVO actually starts to moderate it. I've seen members of the community that actually provide REAL value being suspended than actual troll accounts. That's a concern and it's something that needs to be addressed imo.

AJ
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Personally i feel new accounts should have a 30-60 day probation period just like a vendor in a way and not be allowed to post immediately or reply or start threads, almost like a verification process.

Or at the least a period if as a new member they violate tos or comment to many infarctions or false claims with zero proof, immediately suspended for 60 days or ban.
Me personally i dont think brand new accounts should be able to post until they prove they arent a troll or tool bag.
 
Noah Wixx said:
Personally i feel new accounts should have a 30-60 day probation period just like a vendor in a way and not be allowed to post immediately or reply or start threads, almost like a verification process.

Or at the least a period if as a new member they violate tos or comment to many infarctions or false claims with zero proof, immediately suspended for 60 days or ban.
Me personally i dont think brand new accounts should be able to post until they prove they arent a troll or tool bag.
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@Noah Wixx if you remember, we had this about 3 years back, it didn't work out well. It hurt activity of real users, so that is not an option to limit new members.
 
LevButlerov said:
@Noah Wixx if you remember, we had this about 3 years back, it didn't work out well. It hurt activity of real users, so that is not an option to limit new members.
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So what is the solution just constantly put up with solid people and solid vendor's getting degraded and accosted ?

It grows tiresome replying to it daily and seeing it happen to good people in the community daily.

I just look at what someone contributes and brings to the evo table, and someone like AJ who has sponsored mutiple people and even laid for coaching on his dime and offers quality products for the community, i feel its shitty for him to have to defend himself and be bothered by this nonsense, especially when he could be helping his sponsored people or running his business.

That goes for any approved and vetted source and people, should not have to put up with it imo.
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
those are hard decisions, im a part time mod this would be hard for me to really say something about
i did contact senior mods to see how this goes from their side
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Sure, I understand. Just for additional context: Vendors are required to go through an incredibly strict onboarding process that requires a significant investment of time and resources in order to become a trusted vendor here on EVO - and rightfully so - the protection of the community should always be prioritised so verifying the legitimacy of a vendor is a must.

However, these troll accounts are not subject to even the most basic due diligence requirements which constantly leaves reputable vendors open to attack. A troll account can simply register for an account and publish a completely fabricated post with the sole intention of harming the reputation of that vendor. What's more insulting is that these accounts are so obviously troll accounts but they're still given free reign to cause as much chaos as possible even after their 72h deadline is issued.

In no way should reviews be silenced, but these troll accounts all exhibit the same patterns and are quickly identified. At the very least, if a new account or an account which has been dormant for months or years with little to no post history creates a post attacking a vendor and has not provided any evidence supporting their claims, they shouldn't be allowed to make any additional posts until the they've produced this information to moderators.

The only thing they're gaining by giving them a 72h deadline is an extra 3 days to carry on with their charade publically. That's 3 more days of them trying to damage the reputation of a reputable vendor. 3 days longer than they should of ever had because they have no intention of producing the evidence as they simply don't have any evidence to produce.

AJ
 
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UGL OZ said:
Sure, I understand. Just for additional context: Vendors are required to go through an incredibly strict onboarding process that requires a significant investment of time and resources in order to become a trusted vendor here on EVO - and rightfully so - the protection of the community should always be prioritised so verifying the legitimacy of a vendor is a must.

However, these troll accounts are not subjected to even the most basic due dilligence requirements which constantly leaves reputable vendors open to attack. A troll account can simply register for an account and publish a completely fabricated post with the sole intention of harming the reputation of that vendor. What's more insulting is that these accounts are so obviously troll accounts but they're still given free reign to cause as much chaos as possible even after their 72h deadline is issued.

In no way should reviews be silenced, but these troll accounts all have the same footprint and are quickly identified. At the very least, if a new account or an account which has been dormant for months or years with little to no post history creates a post attacking a vendor and has not provided any evidence supporting their claims, they shouldn't be allowed to make any additional posts until the they've produced this information to moderators.

The only thing they're gaining by giving them a 72h deadline is an extra 3 days to carry on with their charade publically. That's 3 more days of them trying to damage the reputation of a reputable vendor. 3 day longer than they should of ever had because they have no intention of producing the evidence as they simply don't have any evidence to produce.

AJ
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^ said everything ive been thinking about for a long time now, being a moderator i have to reply to these accounts all the time, and it is always the same lame BS stories same gear and getting ripped off or bunk products.

Its so bluntly obvious they are morons or bots or moronic bots, its annoying seeing it and having to reply when i could be helping the people in the community who matter and are here to make evo a better place and contribute positive support for others and be an asset.
 
Noah Wixx said:
^ said everything ive been thinking about for a long time now, being a moderator i have to reply to these accounts all the time, and it is always the same lame BS stories same gear and getting ripped off or bunk products.

Its so bluntly obvious they are morons or bots or moronic bots, its annoying seeing it and having to reply when i could be helping the people in the community who matter and are here to make evo a better place and contribute positive support for others and be an asset.
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It gets annoying and time consuming dealing with these trolls. And that is what they are, no evidence nothing. Just sitting on there fat asses behind a keyboard. If they gave the same energy to training and nutrition as they do for trolling. Then maybe they may look like our great members of the EVO family
 
Noah Wixx said:
Personally i feel new accounts should have a 30-60 day probation period just like a vendor in a way and not be allowed to post immediately or reply or start threads, almost like a verification process.

Or at the least a period if as a new member they violate tos or comment to many infarctions or false claims with zero proof, immediately suspended for 60 days or ban.
Me personally i dont think brand new accounts should be able to post until they prove they arent a troll or tool bag.
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I agree. I think new accounts should be able to partake in a discussion but they should not be able to post until they have X amount of good replies to existing posts. Most of these idiots would not have the patience for this and I think that would solve a great deal of the problem.
 
That's cool bro! Because
In march 2025 I ordered a packet of clen from UGLOZ let's say 14%?
By easter with a perfect diet and training plan
I was getting close to competition body fat levels
I think you may just be a bit of a dud bro!

And btw...
I smash caffeine all day every day
I don't get shakes or jitters on 40 or 120... definitely still does its job

Don't f with ugl Oz unless you can back it brother! Not their fault you don't know what you're doing!
 

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Noah Wixx said:
So what is the solution just constantly put up with solid people and solid vendor's getting degraded and accosted ?

It grows tiresome replying to it daily and seeing it happen to good people in the community daily.

I just look at what someone contributes and brings to the evo table, and someone like AJ who has sponsored mutiple people and even laid for coaching on his dime and offers quality products for the community, i feel its shitty for him to have to defend himself and be bothered by this nonsense, especially when he could be helping his sponsored people or running his business.

That goes for any approved and vetted source and people, should not have to put up with it imo.
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There is no perfect solution when you have a community with millions of visitors per month. @Noah Wixx
s.gentz said:
I agree. I think new accounts should be able to partake in a discussion but they should not be able to post until they have X amount of good replies to existing posts. Most of these idiots would not have the patience for this and I think that would solve a great deal of the problem.
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We tried this before, not possible. @s.gentz
I posted about it above.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fake-clen-ugl-oz.105625/post-1787957
LevButlerov said:
@Noah Wixx if you remember, we had this about 3 years back, it didn't work out well. It hurt activity of real users, so that is not an option to limit new members.
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Heavygripper said:
These blatant attempts to damage a vendors reputation with no proof should simply be deleted.

It would suck for this title to come up in a search and that is obviously the intent of the OP.
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This particular person @Lokibuysbunk put up multiple pictures, he's not blank out post and run.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fake-clen-ugl-oz.105625/post-1786925
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fake-clen-ugl-oz.105625/post-1786930
Lokibuysbunk said:
I apologise for my poor pc camera quality heres a better pic of the test from my phone
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Lokibuysbunk said:
there you go smarty pants I was just too lazy to take a pic on my phone
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Do I trust him? obviously no! but that can be said about any new accounts.
UGL OZ said:
Sure, I understand. Just for additional context: Vendors are required to go through an incredibly strict onboarding process that requires a significant investment of time and resources in order to become a trusted vendor here on EVO - and rightfully so - the protection of the community should always be prioritised so verifying the legitimacy of a vendor is a must.

However, these troll accounts are not subject to even the most basic due diligence requirements which constantly leaves reputable vendors open to attack. A troll account can simply register for an account and publish a completely fabricated post with the sole intention of harming the reputation of that vendor. What's more insulting is that these accounts are so obviously troll accounts but they're still given free reign to cause as much chaos as possible even after their 72h deadline is issued.

In no way should reviews be silenced, but these troll accounts all exhibit the same patterns and are quickly identified. At the very least, if a new account or an account which has been dormant for months or years with little to no post history creates a post attacking a vendor and has not provided any evidence supporting their claims, they shouldn't be allowed to make any additional posts until the they've produced this information to moderators.

The only thing they're gaining by giving them a 72h deadline is an extra 3 days to carry on with their charade publically. That's 3 more days of them trying to damage the reputation of a reputable vendor. 3 days longer than they should of ever had because they have no intention of producing the evidence as they simply don't have any evidence to produce.

AJ
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@UGL OZ this particular user and the other thread that's live now is being reviewed by multiple mods. I just spoke to @Npcclassicphysique champ and @Eddie Haskell about it and others making suggestion. multiple admins are looking at the issue as well.

For everyone here-
There is a very tight rope our team walks between censorship and moderation.
We have been as a big EVO family here for many years, and we don't censor, modify or hide anything. This is why EVO family of communities is the biggest in the world. Precisely because we don't hide things from our members base. While it does clearly open the community to possible abuses, that's a fine line that's always judged subjectively.
 
R M said:
That's cool bro! Because
In march 2025 I ordered a packet of clen from UGLOZ let's say 14%?
By easter with a perfect diet and training plan
I was getting close to competition body fat levels
I think you may just be a bit of a dud bro!

And btw...
I smash caffeine all day every day
I don't get shakes or jitters on 40 or 120... definitely still does its job

Don't f with ugl Oz unless you can back it brother! Not their fault you don't know what you're doing!
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this is the perfect post, fight fire with fire, these are the kind of results members are getting with the TOP @UGL OZ brand :D @R M best example.
 
UGL OZ said:
However, these troll accounts are not subject to even the most basic due diligence requirements which constantly leaves reputable vendors open to attack. A troll account can simply register for an account and publish a completely fabricated post with the sole intention of harming the reputation of that vendor. What's more insulting is that these accounts are so obviously troll accounts but they're still given free reign to cause as much chaos as possible even after their 72h deadline is issued.
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I don't know if Evo allow the site to be indexed, but the other thing that is at play here is that if a new customer looking for reviews does a Google and comes across a thread with a negative title, such as this, it could turn them off before they bother to drill in and find out the truth. Even if the site isn't indexed, if a new customer searches ugloz in the search bar and sees threads like this, it's likely that they opt for a brand that hasn't got the negative threads.

Simply locking the thread and banning the member isn't going to fix the damage that could be done behind the scenes. Need to delete the thread and show to scammers that it isn't worth their time to keep creating accounts and keep creating fake reviews. And this isn't to discourage reviews- if the user can simply show proof of the purchase as part of their review, it'll be a different discussion.
 
hypogaeum said:
I don't know if Evo allow the site to be indexed, but the other thing that is at play here is that if a new customer looking for reviews does a Google and comes across a thread with a negative title, such as this, it could turn them off before they bother to drill in and find out the truth. Even if the site isn't indexed, if a new customer searches ugloz in the search bar and sees threads like this, it's likely that they opt for a brand that hasn't got the negative threads.

Simply locking the thread and banning the member isn't going to fix the damage that could be done behind the scenes. Need to delete the thread and show to scammers that it isn't worth their time to keep creating accounts and keep creating fake reviews. And this isn't to discourage reviews- if the user can simply show proof of the purchase as part of their review, it'll be a different discussion.
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Deleting threads and causing censorship is not an option we have. It will never happen. @hypogaeum
From your point of view its 1 thread, from ours its 1000s, which will not happen.
If the thread is updated with the proper outcome, there is no issues, which all of these will be soon.
 
Pigsy said:
It gets annoying and time consuming dealing with these trolls. And that is what they are, no evidence nothing. Just sitting on there fat asses behind a keyboard. If they gave the same energy to training and nutrition as they do for trolling. Then maybe they may look like our great members of the EVO family
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I agree 100%
 
s.gentz said:
I agree. I think new accounts should be able to partake in a discussion but they should not be able to post until they have X amount of good replies to existing posts. Most of these idiots would not have the patience for this and I think that would solve a great deal of the problem.
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1000% same exact thoughts brother on what should be done.
 
Lokibuysbunk said:
the sparta clen from ugl oz is most certainly not clen absolutely 0 stimulant like effects on 80mcg let alone 40mcg yes its from ugloz.is no it wasn't an impersonation website.
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The above claim by @Lokibuysbunk has been found to be invalid for the following reasons.

In context:
Resolution:

UGL OZ said:
No attempts to contact us have been made from what I can see.

Putting aside the fact that there's been a string of fake reviews created by troll accounts for a moment -

@Lokibuysbunk - side effects should not be used as an indicator to measure a product's legitimacy or efficacy. You don't need to have your heart exploding out of your chest or be convulsing on the floor to receive confirmation that the clen is doing its job.

A couple of questions for you:
  1. What is your order ID? Have you reached out to support? If not, why?
  2. Why does the photo look like it was taken on a webcam from 2003 and cropped? Looks odd.
There is significant individual variability in tolerance levels between clen users which is why using sides as a way to measure it's efficacy or legitimacy simply doesn't work. There are people who experience sides at doses as low as 40mcg while others may experience minimal to none at doses as high as 160mcg or more.

It helps to have a basic understanding of how it works to explain why this is the case. Clenbuterol is a beta-2 adrenergic receptor agonist - these receptors are found in cells in a variety of tissues and organs and also play a big role in your body's sympathetic nervous system. As an agonist, clen will bind itself to these receptors in order to produce a response.

Clen's mechanism of action is multifaceted, but one way it promotes weight loss is the result of fat cells containing a large amount of these receptors and clen's ability to activate them - this will start a metabolic process called lipolysis (put simply: it triggers a response to break these fat cells down).

The sympathetic stimulant feeling that some people may experience with the use of clen does not have any impact on its metabolic mechanisms - meaning that whether or not you "feel" that stimulant feeling that you've referred to, it's still effectively doing its job.

Using sides to gauge whether clen is working is just one of the many misconceptions about what to expect from clen in the bodybuilding world, ranging from how to assess its legitimacy to the recommended doses and usage protocols (eg: titrating up to ridiculously high doses and cycling every 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). This largely stems from a lack of data supporting these claims at the time and decades old broscience being perpetuated throughout bodybuilding forums that is still being parroted to this day.

In reality, you don't need to "feel" any sides. You don't need to "cycle" its use. There is no hard cap on how long you can use it for (but be reasonable here, there really isn't any reason to run it for an excessive duration).

Bottom line is that in most cases you can achieve what you want by running it a low to moderate dose over a longer duration until you've reached your desired outcome without ever feeling any sides at all - and that is completely normal.

If your post is legitimate, please reach out to support and provide your order ID so that we can verify your purchase: [email protected]

By posting to a forum where we are well known and highly respected, while also making no effort to reach out to support at any time prior, and then claiming that the motivation behind your post isn't to slander us is disingenuous. If a customer has any doubts about a product, the most reasonable thing to do would be to contact the vendor and give them the opportunity to diagnose any problems.

Clen is one of our biggest sellers. We have many members of the community here that would be happy to share their experiences - some of which are doing just that in their logs.

If you are in fact a customer and this is a verified purchase, we'll also arrange for you to send the product to Janoshik for HPLC testing: https://janoshik.com/

We'll cover the costs of the tests, shipping, and also send you a replacement product for the trouble. I stand by all of our products and have absolutely nothing to hide.

But until we verify you as a customer, this post does not hold any legitimacy regarding the claims being made.

AJ
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