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Hsc318

Hsc318

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Decided against doing an oral only and stepping up to pinning. I have done two oral hdrol cycles in the past and planned to do Havoc this time; however I'm leaning towards a test/anavar cycle.

28 years old 6'4". I have dropped from 295lbs at 19% to 283 at 16.5% overall goal is to keep/build some strength and cut off some fat. Being that it is my first cycle injecting I'm just sticking with test. I may end up running 10 weeks but my current timing allows for 8.

Here's my plan:
Weeks 1-8 Test Cyp 500mg pinned Sunday
Weeks 3-8 anavar 50mg
Weeks 1-pct Proviron at 50mg each day
Weeks 1-pct Arnidex at 0.25mg each day

PCT of Clomid for 4 weeks starting 7 days after last pin

Week 10: Armidex .25mg/proviron 50mg: Clomid 100mg/day
Week 11: Armidex .25mg/proviron 50mg: Clomid 100mg/day
Week 12 Armidex .25mg/proviron 50mg: Clomid 50mg/day
Week 13 Clomid 25mg/day

Question: should I add in any natural test support during PCT? Hcgenerate perhaps?

Also, my source is simplysteds, are they still good?
 
Hsc318 said:
Decided against doing an oral only and stepping up to pinning. I have done two oral hdrol cycles in the past and planned to do Havoc this time; however I'm leaning towards a test/anavar cycle.

28 years old 6'4". I have dropped from 295lbs at 19% to 283 at 16.5% overall goal is to keep/build some strength and cut off some fat. Being that it is my first cycle injecting I'm just sticking with test. I may end up running 10 weeks but my current timing allows for 8.

Here's my plan:
Weeks 1-8 Test Cyp 500mg pinned Sunday
Weeks 3-8 anavar 50mg
Weeks 1-pct Proviron at 50mg each day
Weeks 1-pct Arnidex at 0.25mg each day

PCT of Clomid for 4 weeks starting 7 days after last pin

Week 10: Armidex .25mg/proviron 50mg: Clomid 100mg/day
Week 11: Armidex .25mg/proviron 50mg: Clomid 100mg/day
Week 12 Armidex .25mg/proviron 50mg: Clomid 50mg/day
Week 13 Clomid 25mg/day

Question: should I add in any natural test support during PCT? Hcgenerate perhaps?

Also, my source is simplysteds, are they still good?
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Get your fat down some more.


We've reviews on simply.
 
Where is Nolvadex on your pct?
Steroid on PCT? drop proviron in pct and use it ON CYCLE.

10 weeks of test not 8...
 
If your timing doesn't allow more than 8 weeks max I wouldn't even do it.
As far as pct goes that clomid dose is way too high to my liking. Lower the dose and add nolva in to the mix. Check out the Perfect PCT thread for complete guidance.
 
Bro I'm a little worried about seeing that you're trying to plan a cycle without having certain basic knowledge ... playing with hormones could be dangerous ...

In any case this is what I would do:

week 1-10: test c 400mg / wk
week 1-10: proviron 50mg / ed
week 1-6: anavar 50mg / ed

pct

week 1-8: cardarine 20mg / ed
week 1-4: ostarine 25mg / ed
week 1-2: clomid 50mg / ed
week 1-2: nolvadex 40mg / ed
week 3-4: nolvadex 20mg / ed
week 3-4: clomid 25mg / ed

Read the articles on the site and the threads sticker on the forum.
 
Noise Poison said:
Bro I'm a little worried about seeing that you're trying to plan a cycle without having certain basic knowledge ... playing with hormones could be dangerous ...

In any case this is what I would do:

week 1-10: test c 400mg / wk
week 1-10: proviron 50mg / ed
week 1-6: anavar 50mg / ed

pct

week 1-8: cardarine 20mg / ed
week 1-4: ostarine 25mg / ed
week 1-2: clomid 50mg / ed
week 1-2: nolvadex 40mg / ed
week 3-4: nolvadex 20mg / ed
week 3-4: clomid 25mg / ed

Read the articles on the site and the threads sticker on the forum.
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What's your reasoning for dropping the Arnidex?
 
you def need to run n2generate during pct.

if you don't you will be miserable
 
Hsc318 said:
What's your reasoning for dropping the Arnidex?
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Noise Poison said:
Bro I'm a little worried about seeing that you're trying to plan a cycle without having certain basic knowledge ... playing with hormones could be dangerous ...

In any case this is what I would do:

week 1-10: test c 400mg / wk
week 1-10: proviron 50mg / ed
week 1-6: anavar 50mg / ed

pct

week 1-8: cardarine 20mg / ed
week 1-4: ostarine 25mg / ed
week 1-2: clomid 50mg / ed
week 1-2: nolvadex 40mg / ed
week 3-4: nolvadex 20mg / ed
week 3-4: clomid 25mg / ed

Read the articles on the site and the threads sticker on the forum.
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Do this with Aromasin 12.5 E3D... and go ahead 8 weeks with Anavar.
 
I do not completely agree.

Steroids build muscles, they dont burn fat but a cycle well developed will help you to decrease body fat, for the principle of the fact that in caloric defecit they RETAIN the lean mass (increasing it also) and inducing a decrease of the fat due to the more intense physical exercise.

Body recomposition.

I'm not talking about obese people, but an individual who is not a complete neophyte, after 5 or 6 years of natural training, but who have still a fat mass around 20% (not over), using testosterone at a dosage not exceeding 350 / 400mg per week, with a good managing of estrogen, a dry oral in parallel, can very well benefit from a steroid cycle.
 
Mattew87 said:
I do not completely agree.

Steroids build muscles, they dont burn fat but a cycle well developed will help you to decrease body fat, for the principle of the fact that in caloric defecit they RETAIN the lean mass (increasing it also) and inducing a decrease of the fat due to the more intense physical exercise.

Body recomposition.

I'm not talking about obese people, but an individual who is not a complete neophyte, after 5 or 6 years of natural training, but who have still a fat mass around 20% (not over), using testosterone at a dosage not exceeding 350 / 400mg per week, with a good managing of estrogen, a dry oral in parallel, can very well benefit from a steroid cycle.
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My goal is to drop BF but I am having hard time at this platuea. I believe it's partly due to my natural test being bombed out... As in my last blood test showed my levels around 280, prior to that it was 256. I have been training strongman for almost two years now and as my strength has gone up, my fat is slow to come off, if it does at all. That's with a recomp diet I have been following as well. I have definitely added a lot of muscle but not as much as I could have.

I am in the gym 6 days a week 2-2.5hrs a day so I wouldn't say I'm "out of shape" or obese. I didn't think 16% bf at this weight was all that bad really.
 
I wouldn't waste your first cycle on cutting. Steroids can help you preserve muscle while cutting but they are not going to shred fat. Save them for when you are lean and ready to grow.
 
Noise Poison said:
Bro I'm a little worried about seeing that you're trying to plan a cycle without having certain basic knowledge ... playing with hormones could be dangerous ...

In any case this is what I would do:

week 1-10: test c 400mg / wk
week 1-10: proviron 50mg / ed
week 1-6: anavar 50mg / ed
Week 1-10: aromasin 10mg E3D

pct

week 1-8: cardarine 20mg / ed
week 1-4: ostarine 25mg / ed
week 1-2: clomid 50mg / ed
week 1-2: nolvadex 40mg / ed
week 3-4: nolvadex 20mg / ed
week 3-4: clomid 25mg / ed
Week 1 - 4 a good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate

Read the articles on the site and the threads sticker on the forum.
Click to expand...

In bold above
 
Hsc318 said:
Decided against doing an oral only and stepping up to pinning. I have done two oral hdrol cycles in the past and planned to do Havoc this time; however I'm leaning towards a test/anavar cycle.

28 years old 6'4". I have dropped from 295lbs at 19% to 283 at 16.5% overall goal is to keep/build some strength and cut off some fat. Being that it is my first cycle injecting I'm just sticking with test. I may end up running 10 weeks but my current timing allows for 8.

Here's my plan:
Weeks 1-8 Test Cyp 500mg pinned Sunday
Weeks 3-8 anavar 50mg
Weeks 1-pct Proviron at 50mg each day
Weeks 1-pct Arnidex at 0.25mg each day

PCT of Clomid for 4 weeks starting 7 days after last pin

Week 10: Armidex .25mg/proviron 50mg: Clomid 100mg/day
Week 11: Armidex .25mg/proviron 50mg: Clomid 100mg/day
Week 12 Armidex .25mg/proviron 50mg: Clomid 50mg/day
Week 13 Clomid 25mg/day

Question: should I add in any natural test support during PCT? Hcgenerate perhaps?

Also, my source is simplysteds, are they still good?
Click to expand...

Pct should start 2 weeks after last pin ..
If you are willing to preserve muscle, get some strength and cut then lower the testosterone to 300 or 350, there's no point in running 500 and push it to at least 10 weeks ..
The pct is all wrong .. nolvadex is stronger than clomid and it's needed too ..
 
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