Four Year Mark Marker for Rebirth

[SteveNJR]

I'm hoping to get some insight and maybe share some motivation along the way. Four years ago exactly, Covid thrashed my body to the point where I had to learn all the basic functions of mobility all over. Simply put, I lost about 80 pounds of hard earned gains and all the hard work I've put in the gym due to being bedridden for a year and a half! Next phase was physical therapy, learning my new limitations, and time to go to war. Fast forward to now, my approach has to be a bit more strategic than my previous life. I'm currently 6'2, 230 lbs, 21% BF and looking to get down around 19%. My approach, body composure and use of PEDs has changed. I'm easing back into the game and completing a mini cycle of 500 Sust., 450 Primo, and 3 IU generic GH. Looking to cruise on 250 Sust., maybe 200 Mast, 50 MG pharma grade Var ED, 5 daily Tadalafil ED, and give the GH a break and jump on the peptide train. Tesamorelin grabs my interest. My question is, do I really need a break from GH? Could I combo GH and peptides? Been using generics for 6 months now and thinking of going pharma grade, 2 IUs. With keeping the toxicity to a minium, are there any recommendations for lean gain preservation/fat loss cycle? My plan is 5 cardio sessions @ 30 and 15 mixed interval sessions, 5 strength training sessions high reps 4x10-12, 1700 Cal deficit, 240 grams protein. Any critique to the above or additions are highly welcomed.

Thanks, and shout out to @domestic-supply.com for getting me back on my feet with top notch supplements!

 

[stevesmi]

if you use HGH at a therapeutic level that is one thing
but if you abuse hgh then you will set yourself up for problems over time

 

[SteveNJR]

if you use HGH at a therapeutic level that is one thing
but if you abuse hgh then you will set yourself up for problems over time

Accurate statement and thanks for the feedback. A "therapeutic level" can differ based on potency or product. I find that 3-4 IUs of white top Beltropin has an equal ir less effect compared to 2 IUs Genotropin. I stay within that realm and have been for six months. Should I give that a break, run peptides and let the pituitary gland stimulate natural GH production? Is that beneficial or needed whatsoever?

 

[stevesmi]

Accurate statement and thanks for the feedback. A "therapeutic level" can differ based on potency or product. I find that 3-4 IUs of white top Beltropin has an equal ir less effect compared to 2 IUs Genotropin. I stay within that realm and have been for six months. Should I give that a break, run peptides and let the pituitary gland stimulate natural GH production? Is that beneficial or needed whatsoever?

HGH is not the same as AAS

with hgh its a pulse. it will not effect your gh levels to inject exogenous gh .. they actually didn't believe that in the 90s a lot of gurus would say dumb stuff like hgh is suppressive without understanding how it works.

now to answer your question a strategy that people do is they will take the hgh before their first meal of the day. because after you eat your insulin rises and hgh drops. so you keep hgh elevated even after meals by using exogenous hgh so you can better take advantage of it.

 

[SteveNJR]

HGH is not the same as AAS

with hgh its a pulse. it will not effect your gh levels to inject exogenous gh .. they actually didn't believe that in the 90s a lot of gurus would say dumb stuff like hgh is suppressive without understanding how it works.

now to answer your question a strategy that people do is they will take the hgh before their first meal of the day. because after you eat your insulin rises and hgh drops. so you keep hgh elevated even after meals by using exogenous hgh so you can better take advantage of it.

Consider me a sponge bro; I'm soaking all this info up! And realizing I've been doing it wrong if that's the case. My strategy has been administration right before bed. With the above being said, I'm switching to GH right before fasted cardio in the morning, also stacking the Tesamorelin 1MG at night for the GH side of things on the next cut starting in January. In regard to AAS, again my thoughts are keeping the toxicity to a bare minimum with cruise of 250 Sust., 200 Mast., and maybe adding 200 150 NPP and/or Proviron 25 ED. Any recommendations, or keep as is?

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm hoping to get some insight and maybe share some motivation along the way. Four years ago exactly, Covid thrashed my body to the point where I had to learn all the basic functions of mobility all over. Simply put, I lost about 80 pounds of hard earned gains and all the hard work I've put in the gym due to being bedridden for a year and a half! Next phase was physical therapy, learning my new limitations, and time to go to war. Fast forward to now, my approach has to be a bit more strategic than my previous life. I'm currently 6'2, 230 lbs, 21% BF and looking to get down around 19%. My approach, body composure and use of PEDs has changed. I'm easing back into the game and completing a mini cycle of 500 Sust., 450 Primo, and 3 IU generic GH. Looking to cruise on 250 Sust., maybe 200 Mast, 50 MG pharma grade Var ED, 5 daily Tadalafil ED, and give the GH a break and jump on the peptide train. Tesamorelin grabs my interest. My question is, do I really need a break from GH? Could I combo GH and peptides? Been using generics for 6 months now and thinking of going pharma grade, 2 IUs. With keeping the toxicity to a minium, are there any recommendations for lean gain preservation/fat loss cycle? My plan is 5 cardio sessions @ 30 and 15 mixed interval sessions, 5 strength training sessions high reps 4x10-12, 1700 Cal deficit, 240 grams protein. Any critique to the above or additions are highly welcomed.

Thanks, and shout out to @domestic-supply.com for getting me back on my feet with top notch supplements!

Accurate statement and thanks for the feedback. A "therapeutic level" can differ based on potency or product. I find that 3-4 IUs of white top Beltropin has an equal ir less effect compared to 2 IUs Genotropin. I stay within that realm and have been for six months. Should I give that a break, run peptides and let the pituitary gland stimulate natural GH production? Is that beneficial or needed whatsoever?

Consider me a sponge bro; I'm soaking all this info up! And realizing I've been doing it wrong if that's the case. My strategy has been administration right before bed. With the above being said, I'm switching to GH right before fasted cardio in the morning, also stacking the Tesamorelin 1MG at night for the GH side of things on the next cut starting in January. In regard to AAS, again my thoughts are keeping the toxicity to a bare minimum with cruise of 250 Sust., 200 Mast., and maybe adding 200 150 NPP and/or Proviron 25 ED. Any recommendations, or keep as is?

@SteveNJR welcome to the EVO family, your journey is like many of our brothers difficult but life changing.
We will help you change your life, a TRUE rebirth.

There are issues there. For example, you're talking about combo with "gh and peptides" sure possible or maybe not, adding sustanon? sure thats base TRT but do you need 250 or 500, hard to say.
You know why? because we know nothing about you. We know you cycled and we know a bit here and there but not much. We need to know more about you and we need you to share with the EVO family so we can guide you.
HOW?
easy, please start a NEW thread with your current LOG journal, share your diet training cardio history sleep supps and more and we can guide you into amazing results and support you

here is how

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Rebirth cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle


here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm hoping to get some insight and maybe share some motivation along the way. Four years ago exactly, Covid thrashed my body to the point where I had to learn all the basic functions of mobility all over. Simply put, I lost about 80 pounds of hard earned gains and all the hard work I've put in the gym due to being bedridden for a year and a half! Next phase was physical therapy, learning my new limitations, and time to go to war. Fast forward to now, my approach has to be a bit more strategic than my previous life. I'm currently 6'2, 230 lbs, 21% BF and looking to get down around 19%. My approach, body composure and use of PEDs has changed. I'm easing back into the game and completing a mini cycle of 500 Sust., 450 Primo, and 3 IU generic GH. Looking to cruise on 250 Sust., maybe 200 Mast, 50 MG pharma grade Var ED, 5 daily Tadalafil ED, and give the GH a break and jump on the peptide train. Tesamorelin grabs my interest. My question is, do I really need a break from GH? Could I combo GH and peptides? Been using generics for 6 months now and thinking of going pharma grade, 2 IUs. With keeping the toxicity to a minium, are there any recommendations for lean gain preservation/fat loss cycle? My plan is 5 cardio sessions @ 30 and 15 mixed interval sessions, 5 strength training sessions high reps 4x10-12, 1700 Cal deficit, 240 grams protein. Any critique to the above or additions are highly welcomed.

Thanks, and shout out to @domestic-supply.com for getting me back on my feet with top notch supplements!

on a different note @domestic-supply.com very solid source, Greg is top gun the best in the business so you made the right choice

 

[stevesmi]

Consider me a sponge bro; I'm soaking all this info up! And realizing I've been doing it wrong if that's the case. My strategy has been administration right before bed. With the above being said, I'm switching to GH right before fasted cardio in the morning, also stacking the Tesamorelin 1MG at night for the GH side of things on the next cut starting in January. In regard to AAS, again my thoughts are keeping the toxicity to a bare minimum with cruise of 250 Sust., 200 Mast., and maybe adding 200 150 NPP and/or Proviron 25 ED. Any recommendations, or keep as is?

it isn't necessarily wrong to take it before bed. but keep in mind while you are sleeping your hgh will begin to rise throughout the night.
a lot of the self proclaimed geniuses on social media will just say to take it anytime, i call that concept dart board PED use. it works for them cause they have superior genetics and they are abusing everything. it is similar to dart board dieting, where these idiots on social eat whatever they want and look good on the outside, but on the inside they are dying

 

[Quadsweep]

definitely get your log going
it would definitely help to know more about your backstory and your full stats and what you look like

 

[JasonPriest]

this will be an awesome log to put up
we want you to come back 100% strong

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro my cousin die from covid
he didn't beleive in it thought it was made up lolz

 

[SteveNJR]

definitely get your log going
it would definitely help to know more about your backstory and your full stats and what you look like

Awesome info all, and I will definitely start the log very soon. To give some insight, the pic on the left was pre-covid. The pic on the right is the disaster I woke up to. More to come with the progression and road to recovery!! I lost all my strength, had to learn to breath on my own again and walk again! This was the most humbling experience ever! I was one of the 7% of people who made it out alive under my condition. Miracles do happen!

 

[SteveNJR]

@SteveNJR welcome to the EVO family, your journey is like many of our brothers difficult but life changing.
We will help you change your life, a TRUE rebirth.

There are issues there. For example, you're talking about combo with "gh and peptides" sure possible or maybe not, adding sustanon? sure thats base TRT but do you need 250 or 500, hard to say.
You know why? because we know nothing about you. We know you cycled and we know a bit here and there but not much. We need to know more about you and we need you to share with the EVO family so we can guide you.
HOW?
easy, please start a NEW thread with your current LOG journal, share your diet training cardio history sleep supps and more and we can guide you into amazing results and support you

here is how

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Rebirth cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle


here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

Log coming soon, and yes I have the E Books and am on the mailing list! Such amazing information man. You guys are really sharing the wealth and knowledge, and folks like us or those up and coming need to know. Keep up the good work!

 

[SteveNJR]

bro my cousin die from covid
he didn't beleive in it thought it was made up lolz

Sorry to hear bro. Most people don't know the ugly side of it. I felt it, and it flipped my world upside down!

 

[LevButlerov]

Log coming soon, and yes I have the E Books and am on the mailing list! Such amazing information man. You guys are really sharing the wealth and knowledge, and folks like us or those up and coming need to know. Keep up the good work!

happy to have you in the EVO family @SteveNJR
please start the LOG so we can guide you

 

[SteveNJR]

@SteveNJR welcome to the EVO family, your journey is like many of our brothers difficult but life changing.
We will help you change your life, a TRUE rebirth.

There are issues there. For example, you're talking about combo with "gh and peptides" sure possible or maybe not, adding sustanon? sure thats base TRT but do you need 250 or 500, hard to say.
You know why? because we know nothing about you. We know you cycled and we know a bit here and there but not much. We need to know more about you and we need you to share with the EVO family so we can guide you.
HOW?
easy, please start a NEW thread with your current LOG journal, share your diet training cardio history sleep supps and more and we can guide you into amazing results and support you

here is how

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Rebirth cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle


here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

Posted under My Cycle Rebirth Log. The title suggestion felt right! Thanks!

 

[Mobster]

I'm hoping to get some insight and maybe share some motivation along the way. Four years ago exactly, Covid thrashed my body to the point where I had to learn all the basic functions of mobility all over. Simply put, I lost about 80 pounds of hard earned gains and all the hard work I've put in the gym due to being bedridden for a year and a half! Next phase was physical therapy, learning my new limitations, and time to go to war. Fast forward to now, my approach has to be a bit more strategic than my previous life. I'm currently 6'2, 230 lbs, 21% BF and looking to get down around 19%. My approach, body composure and use of PEDs has changed. I'm easing back into the game and completing a mini cycle of 500 Sust., 450 Primo, and 3 IU generic GH. Looking to cruise on 250 Sust., maybe 200 Mast, 50 MG pharma grade Var ED, 5 daily Tadalafil ED, and give the GH a break and jump on the peptide train. Tesamorelin grabs my interest. My question is, do I really need a break from GH? Could I combo GH and peptides? Been using generics for 6 months now and thinking of going pharma grade, 2 IUs. With keeping the toxicity to a minium, are there any recommendations for lean gain preservation/fat loss cycle? My plan is 5 cardio sessions @ 30 and 15 mixed interval sessions, 5 strength training sessions high reps 4x10-12, 1700 Cal deficit, 240 grams protein. Any critique to the above or additions are highly welcomed.

Thanks, and shout out to @domestic-supply.com for getting me back on my feet with top notch supplements!

You mean steroids right?

 

[SteveNJR]

You mean steroids right?

Gear, PEDs, AAS, elixers of life. Call it what you may, I call it the goods bro!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Posted under My Cycle Rebirth Log. The title suggestion felt right! Thanks!

Thank you for sharing with our EVO family Please give us 24 hours to moderate and approve the log.

 

[Mobster]

Gear, PEDs, AAS, elixers of life. Call it what you may, I call it the goods bro!

It's me being a pedant. Calling steroids supplements is IMO, a no