First Cycle Advice Asked - Test E & Dbol

Nino026 · May 26, 2025

After a couple of years fitness on and off, Am now taking it seriously and have been training for 1 year steady witouth any breaks. i went from 70kg to 85kg in under 1 year. Am currently at around 83.5kg with an Estimate 20% Bodyfat ( maybe little more ). Looking to bring this down but not a major problem since my goal is to just get big in general, but would like to see more muscle definition.

Read alot on the forums, web, yt, etc. and am preparing for my 1st cycle ever now am 28years old and about 175cm, 83-84kg. 20%bf (est.)

Orderd The Following From Geneza Pharm Trough Napsgear:
x3 Test E 250mgs
x2 Dbol 50mg x2
x1 Clomid

I Already have 2 Aromasin packs (pfizer) , 2 nolvadex packs and a tamoxifen from when i was abroad and just could buy it at the pharmacy, so i also have some stuff for AI and PCT with the Clomid.

Am planning on doing the Test E for 500mgs a week split with 1 shot at monday and 1 shot at thursday
For the Dbol am not sure yet what would be an appropiate dose ( i think 20-30mgs per day ) for the first 4 weeks to kickstart? but am not sure, am even thinking about not taking the Dbol since this is my first cycle and the Test E alone would gave me great results in general.

i do Value my hair alot so just want to mention that and take that in to considoration.

Cycle duration would be for 12 Weeks, since its the first and would be likely be sufficient, ive read it could be 12-16 weeks but think might be good to start it off on the basic lower end.

Let me know please what u guys think and if u have any advice or recommandations don't hesitate to lmk, the more info the better. Also on the doses what to do what to take am open for info !

toddthelineman · May 26, 2025

Every one is going to want you to start a log, and you should! I sorely regret never getting proper bloodwork before my first experiences with gear. You should do that! And post it here. If you start a log, you’ll have like half a dozen seriously experienced people critiquing and advising you, like every day. It’s awesome.

I’m not one of those amazing and highly experienced people, but I can tell you from my limited experience that you are starting off with a very powerful cycle, and SOME PEOPLE would say it’s way overkill. I tend to think that you have no idea how you’re going to react yet, and imo it would be wise to start at 250 mg and ramp it up, instead of relying on AI right off the bat. I have never used that much gear and I’m like solidly twenty pounds heavier than when I started and I still did fight a long battle with bacne.

Like I said though, start a log. Read through some of these logs and start your own. It’ll be the best thing you did with your cycle and if you listen to the wisdom of these guys you will have amazing success!

LevButlerov · May 26, 2025

Nino026 said:
After a couple of years fitness on and off, Am now taking it seriously and have been training for 1 year steady witouth any breaks. i went from 70kg to 85kg in under 1 year. Am currently at around 83.5kg with an Estimate 20% Bodyfat ( maybe little more ). Looking to bring this down but not a major problem since my goal is to just get big in general, but would like to see more muscle definition.

Read alot on the forums, web, yt, etc. and am preparing for my 1st cycle ever now am 28years old and about 175cm, 83-84kg. 20%bf (est.)

Orderd The Following From Geneza Pharm Trough Napsgear:
x3 Test E 250mgs
x2 Dbol 50mg x2
x1 Clomid

I Already have 2 Aromasin packs (pfizer) , 2 nolvadex packs and a tamoxifen from when i was abroad and just could buy it at the pharmacy, so i also have some stuff for AI and PCT with the Clomid.

Am planning on doing the Test E for 500mgs a week split with 1 shot at monday and 1 shot at thursday
For the Dbol am not sure yet what would be an appropiate dose ( i think 20-30mgs per day ) for the first 4 weeks to kickstart? but am not sure, am even thinking about not taking the Dbol since this is my first cycle and the Test E alone would gave me great results in general.

i do Value my hair alot so just want to mention that and take that in to considoration.

Cycle duration would be for 12 Weeks, since its the first and would be likely be sufficient, ive read it could be 12-16 weeks but think might be good to start it off on the basic lower end.

Let me know please what u guys think and if u have any advice or recommandations don't hesitate to lmk, the more info the better. Also on the doses what to do what to take am open for info !

@Nino026 welcome to the EVO family

I like geneza phamra so this is a good stack to see.

With your weight, and size, I'm not sure dbol is the best option for you, but hard to say, since we know nothing about you at all. Besides your basic stats we need to understand your whole situation. To understand you better we need you to start a NEW thread with your LOG journal, post your diet training cardio sleep and history and we can guide you on this cycle as a big EVO family, takes around 15min to put up. And you do NOT need the gear to start the log, the log is mainly diet training talk first before even cycle starts.

The posted in your thread @BeMe has a log you can check
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/brown-collar-job-log-healing-maintenance-phase.104672/

HOW-TO LOG?

To really guide you we need more info from you.
Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

rizzlekdizzle · May 26, 2025

Hey bro at 20% BF (please add some pics) I don't think you should be doing Dbol - that will just add more water.
I would do a test only cycle for your first cycle (thats what I did) - and focus on getting your BF down.
300mg/week would be fine and lower your risk of aromatisation (especially with 20% BF).
And as Steve said - get a log going for even more help.

stevesmi · May 26, 2025

Nino026 said:
After a couple of years fitness on and off, Am now taking it seriously and have been training for 1 year steady witouth any breaks. i went from 70kg to 85kg in under 1 year. Am currently at around 83.5kg with an Estimate 20% Bodyfat ( maybe little more ). Looking to bring this down but not a major problem since my goal is to just get big in general, but would like to see more muscle definition.

Read alot on the forums, web, yt, etc. and am preparing for my 1st cycle ever now am 28years old and about 175cm, 83-84kg. 20%bf (est.)

Orderd The Following From Geneza Pharm Trough Napsgear:
x3 Test E 250mgs
x2 Dbol 50mg x2
x1 Clomid

I Already have 2 Aromasin packs (pfizer) , 2 nolvadex packs and a tamoxifen from when i was abroad and just could buy it at the pharmacy, so i also have some stuff for AI and PCT with the Clomid.

Am planning on doing the Test E for 500mgs a week split with 1 shot at monday and 1 shot at thursday
For the Dbol am not sure yet what would be an appropiate dose ( i think 20-30mgs per day ) for the first 4 weeks to kickstart? but am not sure, am even thinking about not taking the Dbol since this is my first cycle and the Test E alone would gave me great results in general.

i do Value my hair alot so just want to mention that and take that in to considoration.

Cycle duration would be for 12 Weeks, since its the first and would be likely be sufficient, ive read it could be 12-16 weeks but think might be good to start it off on the basic lower end.

Let me know please what u guys think and if u have any advice or recommandations don't hesitate to lmk, the more info the better. Also on the doses what to do what to take am open for info !

@Nino026, I would cut down first so you have room to grow. Assuming you're actually 20% body fat, which you might not be, maybe get some pictures up, and we can give you a number.

BodyMonster34 · May 26, 2025

Nino026 said:
After a couple of years fitness on and off, Am now taking it seriously and have been training for 1 year steady witouth any breaks. i went from 70kg to 85kg in under 1 year. Am currently at around 83.5kg with an Estimate 20% Bodyfat ( maybe little more ). Looking to bring this down but not a major problem since my goal is to just get big in general, but would like to see more muscle definition.

Read alot on the forums, web, yt, etc. and am preparing for my 1st cycle ever now am 28years old and about 175cm, 83-84kg. 20%bf (est.)

Orderd The Following From Geneza Pharm Trough Napsgear:
x3 Test E 250mgs
x2 Dbol 50mg x2
x1 Clomid

I Already have 2 Aromasin packs (pfizer) , 2 nolvadex packs and a tamoxifen from when i was abroad and just could buy it at the pharmacy, so i also have some stuff for AI and PCT with the Clomid.

Am planning on doing the Test E for 500mgs a week split with 1 shot at monday and 1 shot at thursday
For the Dbol am not sure yet what would be an appropiate dose ( i think 20-30mgs per day ) for the first 4 weeks to kickstart? but am not sure, am even thinking about not taking the Dbol since this is my first cycle and the Test E alone would gave me great results in general.

i do Value my hair alot so just want to mention that and take that in to considoration.

Cycle duration would be for 12 Weeks, since its the first and would be likely be sufficient, ive read it could be 12-16 weeks but think might be good to start it off on the basic lower end.

Let me know please what u guys think and if u have any advice or recommandations don't hesitate to lmk, the more info the better. Also on the doses what to do what to take am open for info !

@Nino026 bro how about some tren? would work good for you
you ready to be a real man or what?

ceo · May 26, 2025

Nino026 said:
After a couple of years fitness on and off, Am now taking it seriously and have been training for 1 year steady witouth any breaks. i went from 70kg to 85kg in under 1 year. Am currently at around 83.5kg with an Estimate 20% Bodyfat ( maybe little more ). Looking to bring this down but not a major problem since my goal is to just get big in general, but would like to see more muscle definition.

Read alot on the forums, web, yt, etc. and am preparing for my 1st cycle ever now am 28years old and about 175cm, 83-84kg. 20%bf (est.)

Orderd The Following From Geneza Pharm Trough Napsgear:
x3 Test E 250mgs
x2 Dbol 50mg x2
x1 Clomid

I Already have 2 Aromasin packs (pfizer) , 2 nolvadex packs and a tamoxifen from when i was abroad and just could buy it at the pharmacy, so i also have some stuff for AI and PCT with the Clomid.

Am planning on doing the Test E for 500mgs a week split with 1 shot at monday and 1 shot at thursday
For the Dbol am not sure yet what would be an appropiate dose ( i think 20-30mgs per day ) for the first 4 weeks to kickstart? but am not sure, am even thinking about not taking the Dbol since this is my first cycle and the Test E alone would gave me great results in general.

i do Value my hair alot so just want to mention that and take that in to considoration.

Cycle duration would be for 12 Weeks, since its the first and would be likely be sufficient, ive read it could be 12-16 weeks but think might be good to start it off on the basic lower end.

Let me know please what u guys think and if u have any advice or recommandations don't hesitate to lmk, the more info the better. Also on the doses what to do what to take am open for info !

@Nino026 bros. Make sure you get some pictures out so we can give you some accurate numbers. Definitely fire up a strong log. Let's see you kick ass on this.

Mobster · May 27, 2025

Never understood the on and off thing

ROIDDERS · May 27, 2025

Nino026 said:
After a couple of years fitness on and off, Am now taking it seriously and have been training for 1 year steady witouth any breaks. i went from 70kg to 85kg in under 1 year. Am currently at around 83.5kg with an Estimate 20% Bodyfat ( maybe little more ). Looking to bring this down but not a major problem since my goal is to just get big in general, but would like to see more muscle definition.

Read alot on the forums, web, yt, etc. and am preparing for my 1st cycle ever now am 28years old and about 175cm, 83-84kg. 20%bf (est.)

Orderd The Following From Geneza Pharm Trough Napsgear:
x3 Test E 250mgs
x2 Dbol 50mg x2
x1 Clomid

I Already have 2 Aromasin packs (pfizer) , 2 nolvadex packs and a tamoxifen from when i was abroad and just could buy it at the pharmacy, so i also have some stuff for AI and PCT with the Clomid.

Am planning on doing the Test E for 500mgs a week split with 1 shot at monday and 1 shot at thursday
For the Dbol am not sure yet what would be an appropiate dose ( i think 20-30mgs per day ) for the first 4 weeks to kickstart? but am not sure, am even thinking about not taking the Dbol since this is my first cycle and the Test E alone would gave me great results in general.

i do Value my hair alot so just want to mention that and take that in to considoration.

Cycle duration would be for 12 Weeks, since its the first and would be likely be sufficient, ive read it could be 12-16 weeks but think might be good to start it off on the basic lower end.

Let me know please what u guys think and if u have any advice or recommandations don't hesitate to lmk, the more info the better. Also on the doses what to do what to take am open for info !

@Nino026 that would be an ultimate bulker stack. your appetite would be crazy. i would consider swapping dbol for anavar to ease up on that so you don't bloat like crazy

Ulter · May 27, 2025

Nino026 said:
After a couple of years fitness on and off, Am now taking it seriously and have been training for 1 year steady witouth any breaks. i went from 70kg to 85kg in under 1 year. Am currently at around 83.5kg with an Estimate 20% Bodyfat ( maybe little more ). Looking to bring this down but not a major problem since my goal is to just get big in general, but would like to see more muscle definition.

Read alot on the forums, web, yt, etc. and am preparing for my 1st cycle ever now am 28years old and about 175cm, 83-84kg. 20%bf (est.)

Orderd The Following From Geneza Pharm Trough Napsgear:
x3 Test E 250mgs
x2 Dbol 50mg x2
x1 Clomid

I Already have 2 Aromasin packs (pfizer) , 2 nolvadex packs and a tamoxifen from when i was abroad and just could buy it at the pharmacy, so i also have some stuff for AI and PCT with the Clomid.

Am planning on doing the Test E for 500mgs a week split with 1 shot at monday and 1 shot at thursday
For the Dbol am not sure yet what would be an appropiate dose ( i think 20-30mgs per day ) for the first 4 weeks to kickstart? but am not sure, am even thinking about not taking the Dbol since this is my first cycle and the Test E alone would gave me great results in general.

i do Value my hair alot so just want to mention that and take that in to considoration.

Cycle duration would be for 12 Weeks, since its the first and would be likely be sufficient, ive read it could be 12-16 weeks but think might be good to start it off on the basic lower end.

Let me know please what u guys think and if u have any advice or recommandations don't hesitate to lmk, the more info the better. Also on the doses what to do what to take am open for info !

@Nino026 This one will definitely lead to a lot of water retention. dbol 50mgs a day is a big dose. am i reading that wrong?

2Thick · May 27, 2025

Nino026 said:
After a couple of years fitness on and off, Am now taking it seriously and have been training for 1 year steady witouth any breaks. i went from 70kg to 85kg in under 1 year. Am currently at around 83.5kg with an Estimate 20% Bodyfat ( maybe little more ). Looking to bring this down but not a major problem since my goal is to just get big in general, but would like to see more muscle definition.

Read alot on the forums, web, yt, etc. and am preparing for my 1st cycle ever now am 28years old and about 175cm, 83-84kg. 20%bf (est.)

Orderd The Following From Geneza Pharm Trough Napsgear:
x3 Test E 250mgs
x2 Dbol 50mg x2
x1 Clomid

I Already have 2 Aromasin packs (pfizer) , 2 nolvadex packs and a tamoxifen from when i was abroad and just could buy it at the pharmacy, so i also have some stuff for AI and PCT with the Clomid.

Am planning on doing the Test E for 500mgs a week split with 1 shot at monday and 1 shot at thursday
For the Dbol am not sure yet what would be an appropiate dose ( i think 20-30mgs per day ) for the first 4 weeks to kickstart? but am not sure, am even thinking about not taking the Dbol since this is my first cycle and the Test E alone would gave me great results in general.

i do Value my hair alot so just want to mention that and take that in to considoration.

Cycle duration would be for 12 Weeks, since its the first and would be likely be sufficient, ive read it could be 12-16 weeks but think might be good to start it off on the basic lower end.

Let me know please what u guys think and if u have any advice or recommandations don't hesitate to lmk, the more info the better. Also on the doses what to do what to take am open for info !

@Nino026 I would consider using something that doesn't aromatize so much. You don't want to end up with a big wet cycle, then you'll have an issue with estrogen.

Nino026 · May 27, 2025

ROIDDERS said:
@Nino026 that would be an ultimate bulker stack. your appetite would be crazy. i would consider swapping dbol for anavar to ease up on that so you don't bloat like crazy

solid advice, am starting to lean towards anavar more too now

Nino026 · May 27, 2025

Ulter said:
@Nino026 This one will definitely lead to a lot of water retention. dbol 50mgs a day is a big dose. am i reading that wrong?

the tabs are 50mg but i can cut them up, so i was looking for a 20-30mg dose

Nino026 · May 27, 2025

2Thick said:
@Nino026 I would consider using something that doesn't aromatize so much. You don't want to end up with a big wet cycle, then you'll have an issue with estrogen.

thanks, i see dbol probably isn't the best thing for me to use, i think i was just kind of hyped for Dbol since i understood it can bring massive muscle gain when stacked with test but the sides from dbol might be a little to much for a person beginning.

Noah Wixx · May 27, 2025

toddthelineman said:
Every one is going to want you to start a log, and you should! I sorely regret never getting proper bloodwork before my first experiences with gear. You should do that! And post it here. If you start a log, you’ll have like half a dozen seriously experienced people critiquing and advising you, like every day. It’s awesome.

I’m not one of those amazing and highly experienced people, but I can tell you from my limited experience that you are starting off with a very powerful cycle, and SOME PEOPLE would say it’s way overkill. I tend to think that you have no idea how you’re going to react yet, and imo it would be wise to start at 250 mg and ramp it up, instead of relying on AI right off the bat. I have never used that much gear and I’m like solidly twenty pounds heavier than when I started and I still did fight a long battle with bacne.

Like I said though, start a log. Read through some of these logs and start your own. It’ll be the best thing you did with your cycle and if you listen to the wisdom of these guys you will have amazing success!

I know at times guys feel like we are preaching or being pushy, we really are not, we just care about the saftey and wellbeing of the members in our community, it also lets us with experience help you better and help with any issues that arise, the more information we can get the more we can be of assistance for you and the journey you are on, plus check out the evolutionary podcast on apple or Spotify tons of free knowledge!

Nino026 · May 27, 2025

toddthelineman said:
Every one is going to want you to start a log, and you should! I sorely regret never getting proper bloodwork before my first experiences with gear. You should do that! And post it here. If you start a log, you’ll have like half a dozen seriously experienced people critiquing and advising you, like every day. It’s awesome.

I’m not one of those amazing and highly experienced people, but I can tell you from my limited experience that you are starting off with a very powerful cycle, and SOME PEOPLE would say it’s way overkill. I tend to think that you have no idea how you’re going to react yet, and imo it would be wise to start at 250 mg and ramp it up, instead of relying on AI right off the bat. I have never used that much gear and I’m like solidly twenty pounds heavier than when I started and I still did fight a long battle with bacne.

Like I said though, start a log. Read through some of these logs and start your own. It’ll be the best thing you did with your cycle and if you listen to the wisdom of these guys you will have amazing success!

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log-101-test-e-dbol-or-anavar.104925/

Nino026 · May 27, 2025

Noah Wixx said:
I know at times guys feel like we are preaching or being pushy, we really are not, we just care about the saftey and wellbeing of the members in our community, it also lets us with experience help you better and help with any issues that arise, the more information we can get the more we can be of assistance for you and the journey you are on, plus check out the evolutionary podcast on apple or Spotify tons of free knowledge!

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log-101-test-e-dbol-or-anavar.104925/

Nino026 · May 27, 2025

ROIDDERS said:
@Nino026 that would be an ultimate bulker stack. your appetite would be crazy. i would consider swapping dbol for anavar to ease up on that so you don't bloat like crazy

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log-101-test-e-dbol-or-anavar.104925/

Nino026 · May 27, 2025

ceo said:
@Nino026 bros. Make sure you get some pictures out so we can give you some accurate numbers. Definitely fire up a strong log. Let's see you kick ass on this.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log-101-test-e-dbol-or-anavar.104925/

Nino026 · May 27, 2025

stevesmi said:
@Nino026, I would cut down first so you have room to grow. Assuming you're actually 20% body fat, which you might not be, maybe get some pictures up, and we can give you a number.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log-101-test-e-dbol-or-anavar.104925/

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