First cycle - questions(!!!)

beginner · Sep 24, 2025

Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28
Height: 185 cm
Weight: 87 kg
Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting
Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein
Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included
Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)
Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements
Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?
What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?
Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?
Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

LevButlerov · Sep 24, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

welcome to the EVO family

@beginner this is the right place to get help.
Anavar only is usually disappointing, especially for a first run, it won’t give you much size and still brings suppression and liver stress. If you’re set on using it then 40 to 60mg daily for 6 to 8 weeks is the common range, but you’ll want liver support and bloodwork before and after. A simple test base at 300 to 400mg a week for 12 weeks is a far better first cycle, easier to manage, and gives you the physique changes you’re chasing.

If you’re serious about this then start a log. Post your training, diet, weight, pics, and updates in one place so everyone can track and give you real advice. You’ll get way more useful feedback and it keeps you accountable. Most guys asking these questions without a log end up spinning wheels, with a log people can see your food, lifts, and progress and actually guide you. Before any cycle, a LOG is a must, will take you 15min to start a training log and 5min to update.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us

stevesmi · Sep 24, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

a lot of people will say no to anavar only. but i have zero issues with it. i would do 50mgs a day for 8 weeks with n2guard

JimmyO187 · Sep 24, 2025

stevesmi said:
a lot of people will say no to anavar only. but i have zero issues with it. i would do 50mgs a day for 8 weeks with n2guard

Definitely not a no but like @LevButlerov said its potentially going to disappoint and not get the desired results…agree with that dose and liver support

JimmyO187 · Sep 24, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

Are you specifically wanting an oral only cycle? Is testosterone off the table due injections?

RickRock · Sep 24, 2025

I always recommend test only for a first cycle. Its tried and true

Pigsy · Sep 24, 2025

Welcome to logging brother

rizzlekdizzle · Sep 25, 2025

I would do a test only cycle bro at 300mg/week.

Mobster · Sep 25, 2025

Lower the volume

beginner · Sep 25, 2025

JimmyO187 said:
Definitely not a no but like @LevButlerov said its potentially going to disappoint and not get the desired results…agree with that dose and liver support

thanks man! you believe that the effect would be so small even for a person that has never done it before??

beginner · Sep 25, 2025

JimmyO187 said:
Are you specifically wanting an oral only cycle? Is testosterone off the table due injections?

Well tbh, i feel oral is more comfortable. But injections is not off the table... What you recommend bro?

beginner · Sep 25, 2025

Mobster said:
Lower the volume

what you mean?

beginner · Sep 25, 2025

rizzlekdizzle said:
I would do a test only cycle bro at 300mg/week.

Just test? No other thing? PCT???

JimmyO187 · Sep 25, 2025

beginner said:
thanks man! you believe that the effect would be so small even for a person that has never done it before??

Yeah I just don’t think you’d be that happy with the results and I think you’d do better with testosterone

beginner said:
Well tbh, i feel oral is more comfortable. But injections is not off the table... What you recommend bro?

175mg a week of testosterone, get some bloods done pre and again 4-6 week mark to assess your e2 and see where to go from there

Mobster · Sep 25, 2025

beginner said:
what you mean?

You're doing over 30 sets a workout. Do less

rizzlekdizzle · Sep 25, 2025

beginner said:
Just test? No other thing? PCT???

yes PCT after unless you want to just TRT but you are young and I assume you want to be fertile

beginner · Sep 25, 2025

Haha, correct assumption bro!

Kopite67 · Sep 25, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

Welcome brother to the Evo Fam. My take is like most of the brothers before me, I would go with a Test base for a first cycle at 300-400mg pw.
I also agree with @Mobster and drop the training volume a bit, 30 sets is a lot. 20 is the most you need in a quality full blown training session.
Get a log going bro, you are in the best place for the best information, guidance and support.

Allupfromhere · Sep 25, 2025

If your not against injections then testosterone for your first run is what you should be looking at. You body already produces it so its the best choice. As @JimmyO187 said start it low and titrate it up after the 4 week mark once you get bloods done and increase if everything is good. Some people have different opinions on titration as esters already do this for you. However being your first cycle my opinion on this is, this is the time to learn how your body will respond to test. You start high straight away and when it does saturate you may find the dose is too much, e2 spikes, acne shows up, water retention builds from e2 and your mood is thrown out. At this stage you will be looking to add in an ai to balance things out.

Now you have just had to add something else to adjust something your already taking and trying to learn your personal response to.

Or.... you go slow as other suggest. Run bloods at 4 week and you will have a better indication of how your body is aromatising. If good increase and run bloods again and increase again if all is good. No need to exceed 500mg on your first cycle though, when you have found your ceiling for dose ride that out and enjoy.
You will have better knowledge in your arsenal for your next cycle as you will almost find you will have test in every cycle and only have to worry about learning your response to new compounds. Each cycle only add one new thing at a time so you better aware at what could be causing any potential issues.

Ultimately you do want you want to brother but just keep in mind – its easier and safer to learn how to drive a car when its moving slow, then when its going 100mph.

All the best brother.

Kopite67 · Sep 25, 2025

Allupfromhere said:
If your not against injections then testosterone for your first run is what you should be looking at. You body already produces it so its the best choice. As @JimmyO187 said start it low and titrate it up after the 4 week mark once you get bloods done and increase if everything is good. Some people have different opinions on titration as esters already do this for you. However being your first cycle my opinion on this is, this is the time to learn how your body will respond to test. You start high straight away and when it does saturate you may find the dose is too much, e2 spikes, acne shows up, water retention builds from e2 and your mood is thrown out. At this stage you will be looking to add in an ai to balance things out.

Now you have just had to add something else to adjust something your already taking and trying to learn your personal response to.

Or.... you go slow as other suggest. Run bloods at 4 week and you will have a better indication of how your body is aromatising. If good increase and run bloods again and increase again if all is good. No need to exceed 500mg on your first cycle though, when you have found your ceiling for dose ride that out and enjoy.
You will have better knowledge in your arsenal for your next cycle as you will almost find you will have test in every cycle and only have to worry about learning your response to new compounds. Each cycle only add one new thing at a time so you better aware at what could be causing any potential issues.

Ultimately you do want you want to brother but just keep in mind – its easier and safer to learn how to drive a car when its moving slow, then when its going 100mph.

All the best brother.

Now THAT is an epic response brother, bravo

. @beginner THIS

Allupfromhere · Sep 25, 2025

Kopite67 said:
Now THAT is an epic response brother, bravo . @beginner THIS

Thanks brother, not everyone will share the same opinion but i feel im make some valid points.

JimmyO187 · Sep 25, 2025

Allupfromhere said:
If your not against injections then testosterone for your first run is what you should be looking at. You body already produces it so its the best choice. As @JimmyO187 said start it low and titrate it up after the 4 week mark once you get bloods done and increase if everything is good. Some people have different opinions on titration as esters already do this for you. However being your first cycle my opinion on this is, this is the time to learn how your body will respond to test. You start high straight away and when it does saturate you may find the dose is too much, e2 spikes, acne shows up, water retention builds from e2 and your mood is thrown out. At this stage you will be looking to add in an ai to balance things out.

Now you have just had to add something else to adjust something your already taking and trying to learn your personal response to.

Or.... you go slow as other suggest. Run bloods at 4 week and you will have a better indication of how your body is aromatising. If good increase and run bloods again and increase again if all is good. No need to exceed 500mg on your first cycle though, when you have found your ceiling for dose ride that out and enjoy.
You will have better knowledge in your arsenal for your next cycle as you will almost find you will have test in every cycle and only have to worry about learning your response to new compounds. Each cycle only add one new thing at a time so you better aware at what could be causing any potential issues.

Ultimately you do want you want to brother but just keep in mind – its easier and safer to learn how to drive a car when its moving slow, then when its going 100mph.

All the best brother.

BROTHER!!!! I couldn’t have said this better, honestly this should be plastered somewhere for all beginners

2Thick · Sep 25, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

@beginner this is a good training session. the hammer curl and skullcrushers are on point. wack it hard

BodyMonster34 · Sep 25, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

bro this some stud training. @beginner Can tell you got good, native Texas, genetics. I want to see you continue pushing it.

Ulter · Sep 25, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

you should run n2guard in any cycle. you can buy it from ebay or n2bm

ROIDDERS · Sep 25, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

i know its all confusing. why don't you listen to the podcasts and learn more about the steroids. first cycle can be whatever you want. its silly to say that test only is the best option, cause that isn't true for everyone @beginner

ceo · Sep 25, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

bros you can run what you want on a first cycle. lots of dudes do anavar. people who say on test only are super old school and outdated info

Noah Wixx · Sep 28, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

The gold standard is test only first cycle if you believe in that kind of thing.

25homes · Sep 28, 2025

beginner said:
Hi everyone,
I’m considering running my first cycle and wanted to get some honest feedback and advice before I start.

Stats:

Age: 28

Height: 185 cm

Weight: 87 kg

Training experience: Several years of consistent lifting

Goal: Get leaner, keep/build muscle (aiming for a “Hollywood physique”)

Training program (current split – 5 days):

1 – Push
1. Incline Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Barbell Bench Press – 4×6–8 (heavy)
3. smithmachine Shoulder Press – 3×8–10
4. Cable Flies – 3×12–15
5. Dumbbell Lateral Raise – 3×15
6. Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension – 3×10–12
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Crunch – 4×20
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walking

⸻

2 – Pull
1. Latsdrag – 4×8–10
2. Sitting row – 4×8–10
3. Dumbel row – 3×10 each side
4. Straight Arm Pulldown – 3×12–15
5. Rear Delt Hantel – 3×15
6. Standing Bicepscurl – 3×8–10
7. Hammer Curls – 3×12
8. Hanging Leg Raise – 4×15–20
9. Cardio: 20 min cycle

⸻

3 – Legs
1. Barbell Squat – 4×6–8
2. Hack Squat – 3×10–12
3. Romanian Deadlift – 4×8–10
4. Lying Leg Curl – 3×12–15
5. Leg Extension – 3×12–15
6. Standing Calf Raise – 4×12
7. Seated Calf Raise – 3×12–15
8. Decline Crunch med vikt – 3×20
9. Cardio: 25–30 min cycle or walking

⸻

4 – Chest & Back
1. Flat Dumbbell Press – 4×8–10
2. Incline Machine Press – 3×10–12
3. Latsdrag (narrow) – 4×8–10
4. T-Bar Row – 4×8–10
5. Sitting flyes– 3×12
6. Shrugs – 3×15
7. Cable Side Crunch – 3×15 Each side
8. Cardio: 15–20 min walking

⸻

5 – Shouldes & Arms
1. Sitting Shoulder Press – 4×8–10
2. Lateral Raise – 3×15
3. Rear Delt Cable – 3×15
4. EZ-Bar Curl – 4×8–10
5. Hammer Curl – 3×12
6. Skullcrushers – 4×8–10
7. Triceps Pushdown – 3×12–15
8. Cable Woodchoppers – 3×15 each side
9. Cardio: 20–25 min walk or crosstrainer

Diet & supplements:

Eating clean with high protein intake, some creatine, vitamins, whey protein

Training 5–6x per week, with cardio included

Might add some Muay Thai / crossfit sessions a few times per week for conditioning

What I’m considering:

Anavar-only cycle (since I’m not comfortable stacking multiple compounds yet)

Unsure about dosing, length of cycle, and PCT requirements

Want something that keeps me lean, adds strength, and minimal side effects

Questions for you guys:

What’s a realistic first Anavar cycle for someone like me (length, daily dosage)?

What should I add in terms of support (liver, cholesterol, etc)?

Is Anavar-only worth it for a first cycle, or should I be thinking differently?

Any advice on managing cardio + lifting volume during the cycle?

Thanks in advance, I’ve seen lots of good feedback here and would really appreciate your input before I decide anything.

Really good update bro

HarleyGuy · Sep 28, 2025

Welcome to EVO and welcome to logging @beginner
You're in the right place.

I agree with what @Allupfromhere said and he said it better than I would have so I won't even try to repeat it. What I will add is that if you're going to start your journey taking PED's/gear then you should get used to what that means which is pinning yourself with testosterone (amongst others). The feeling I get is you wanna start with orals because you're not ready to take the plunge with pinning yourself. I think by only starting with anavar to 'ease' yourself into the idea of pinning yourself you'd be selling yourself short when testosterone is something your body knows exactly what to do with and is the Godfather of all gear and will give you the noticeable results you'll want. By keeping the dose low you can use this board to safely go through the cycle and come out just fine.

Having said that there's nothing wrong with an anavar only cycle but let's call it for what it is, you're just prolonging the inevitable so if you're ready then start a full log and let us guide you through the healthiest and most useful cycle for you and dial in all your macros and supplements and training as well. To be more specific, and if it were me, I'd run 300mg of TestE or TestC per week for 12-14 weeks.

Once again.... welcome aboard!

HarleyGuy · Oct 9, 2025

@beginner Any updates? You should post some pics of yourself with face blurred and get this log up and running bro! We're waiting and ready to guide you on this journey.

You've had lots of feedback and if you still want to run an oral only cycle we can guide you on that too.

LevButlerov · Oct 9, 2025

HarleyGuy said:
@beginner Any updates? You should post some pics of yourself with face blurred and get this log up and running bro! We're waiting and ready to guide you on this journey.

You've had lots of feedback and if you still want to run an oral only cycle we can guide you on that too.

@beginner is gone unfortunately @HarleyGuy

HarleyGuy · Oct 9, 2025

LevButlerov said:
@beginner is gone unfortunately @HarleyGuy

Weird how people come and go so fast and can seem so invested at first.

LevButlerov · Oct 10, 2025

HarleyGuy said:
Weird how people come and go so fast and can seem so invested at first.

That's what we are used to

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