Primo Vs Mast (E2)

[ForeverBulk01]

Hey fellas,

Lots of people say primo lowers your E2, and some say the same for mast but more commonly that it just masks high E2 symptoms and acts as a SERM.

Curious to hear peoples personal experiences with using Primo and Mast (separately) in regards to their estrogen blood work and whether they did see it lowered or not using mast.

Thanks guys,

 

[Allupfromhere]

Hey fellas,

Lots of people say primo lowers your E2, and some say the same for mast but more commonly that it just masks high E2 symptoms and acts as a SERM.

Curious to hear peoples personal experiences with using Primo and Mast (separately) in regards to their estrogen blood work and whether they did see it lowered or not using mast.

Thanks guys,

Can't comment on the primo as I havent used it yet but I can with masteron as I am currently using it. Was on trt 200mg test e weekly and e2 was at 150ish pmol. Test went to 400 and mast was thrown in at 400 also then e2 jumps to 300 pmol. Mast didnt mitigate the e2 whatsoever in my case. Currently on 600mg test and 400mg mast weekly with 12.5mg aromasin eod and e2 is at 117 pmol. Im led to believe that primo and its influence on e2 is significantly different. Primo and eq will definitely mitigate e2 though I have heard the using eq for this purpose can be unpredictable in quite a negative way.

 

[ForeverBulk01]

Can't comment on the primo as I havent used it yet but I can with masteron as I am currently using it. Was on trt 200mg test e weekly and e2 was at 150ish pmol. Test went to 400 and mast was thrown in at 400 also then e2 jumps to 300 pmol. Mast didnt mitigate the e2 whatsoever in my case. Currently on 600mg test and 400mg mast weekly with 12.5mg aromasin eod and e2 is at 117 pmol. Im led to believe that primo and its influence on e2 is significantly different. Primo and eq will definitely mitigate e2 though I have heard the using eq for this purpose can be unpredictable in quite a negative way.

Hey bro, exactly the type of information I was after, I unfortunately aromatise a fair bit even with lower bodyfat%, I sit around 110 pmol on trt (120 mg per week) so was definitely looking at future options. Sucks that it didn't lower it a bit for you. I haven't done a lot of research on EQ myself but good to know, thanks man

 

[Allupfromhere]

Happy to help if it did brother. 110pmol is within natural range for a male even without addition of exogenous testosterone. That range is fine

 

[s.gentz]

Hey fellas,

Lots of people say primo lowers your E2, and some say the same for mast but more commonly that it just masks high E2 symptoms and acts as a SERM.

Curious to hear peoples personal experiences with using Primo and Mast (separately) in regards to their estrogen blood work and whether they did see it lowered or not using mast.

Thanks guys,

It's different for everyone. Mast or primo do nothing to lower estrogen for me. Only way you find out is to try and get bloods.
Make sure to have an AI on hand though if your gonna experiment in case your experience is the same as mine and @Allupfromhere.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey fellas,

Lots of people say primo lowers your E2, and some say the same for mast but more commonly that it just masks high E2 symptoms and acts as a SERM.

Curious to hear peoples personal experiences with using Primo and Mast (separately) in regards to their estrogen blood work and whether they did see it lowered or not using mast.

Thanks guys,

Its different for each user, very subjective. I think primobolan is more of an anti-estrogen and masteron is more of a SERM. You have your bloods? @ForeverBulk01

 

[stevesmi]

well they are both DHT's and will compete for those estrogen receptors

its gonna be a wide range of situations depending on specific dosing, how long, and all that. only bloodwork can confirm or deny a situation. i can say people are becoming way too obsessed with being scared of low estrogen, yes low estrogen isn't good but fuck i would rather have low E then high E and end up with bitch tits, high blood pressure or even cancer

 

[ceo]

Bros Everybody has estrogen differences. You've got to try it out for yourself to see.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Start up your own log.

This way, we can track you and give you advice.

 

[chesty]

Ends on the ratio of how much testosterone you're using along with it. Tell us more about what you're planning on doing, man.

 

[Ulter]

What I would recommend for you, is trial and error.

Because what you experience might be different than someone else.

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

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[e2]

I don't see that you have a lot going yet. This is a mistake. The only way you're gonna learn is if you try it out.

 

[2Thick]

If you're using just trt and you add Primo or Master on, you likely won't have any issues With estrogen.

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

you won't go wrong with masteron or primo.

but masteron is far better for estrogen in my experience.

 

[Wootoom]

If you already have estrogen issues, then it won't hurt you to add some Masteron.

 

[Mobster]

I'd never rely on a AAS to control estrogen but many do

 

[ForeverBulk01]

Its different for each user, very subjective. I think primobolan is more of an anti-estrogen and masteron is more of a SERM. You have your bloods? @ForeverBulk01

Very true, I haven't started using neither yet, this is just pre-planning for the bulk

Ends on the ratio of how much testosterone you're using along with it. Tell us more about what you're planning on doing, man.

Hey bro, I've been on TRT for a few years, plans to do 300-500 test for 20 weeks, however I sit around 110 pmol E2 even with 120 mg weekly test, so likely I will have elevated E2, still cutting for the next two months prior to doing anything though.

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Awesome Steven thank you, I'm keen to do a healing log with BPC and OTC supplements prior to getting into my bulk with potentially mast, but happy to do one for that as well, I'm still a couple months out prior to it though, do I just start a log when ready?

 

[LevButlerov]

Very true, I haven't started using neither yet, this is just pre-planning for the bulk

Awesome Steven thank you, I'm keen to do a healing log with BPC and OTC supplements prior to getting into my bulk with potentially mast, but happy to do one for that as well, I'm still a couple months out prior to it though, do I just start a log when ready?

@ForeverBulk01 pre-planning is called a pre-cycle log, that set up helps us help you as a big EVO family set things up and really prep properly for the cycle, you get the WHOLE EVO family to support you and its easy, just 15min of your time start a NEW thread add your training, diet, nutrition, supps, sleep cardio and goals and we will guide you.

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• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

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[ForeverBulk01]

@ForeverBulk01 pre-planning is called a pre-cycle log, that set up helps us help you as a big EVO family set things up and really prep properly for the cycle, you get the WHOLE EVO family to support you and its easy, just 15min of your time start a NEW thread add your training, diet, nutrition, supps, sleep cardio and goals and we will guide you.

HOW-TO LOG?

• To really guide you we need more info from you.
• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Pre-cycle Training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
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https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
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https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
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Hey bro, thanks for the info and how to format, I'm currently just looking for advice for a future blast, which i dont intend to do for at least 2 more months due to my bodyfat still being a bit high, but if you guys are happy for me to do a healing log (plan to fix a couple injuries while cutting) with my current info I'll be more than happy to start one!

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey bro, thanks for the info and how to format, I'm currently just looking for advice for a future blast, which i dont intend to do for at least 2 more months due to my bodyfat still being a bit high, but if you guys are happy for me to do a healing log (plan to fix a couple injuries while cutting) with my current info I'll be more than happy to start one!

You should start a pre-cycle log so its easier for the EVO family to guide you into a cycle.

 

[ballin2504]

Looks like allupfromhere has you covered

 

[Noah Wixx]

When i was utilizing 300 test e with 300 primo my estrogen was 16.7pg/ml when i got off primo and was utilizing test cyp at 250mg no ai estrogen was at 50pg/ml for my case adding primo drastically reduced my estrogen, when not on primo i use aromasin eod at a low dose to keep estrogen in check.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

It really depends on the person. Some people will have to increase test dose because primo or mast is crashing e2, while others see no effect on e2. Only way is to experiment yourself and get blood work.