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Hey y’all, i need some help. 23 here, looking for some experienced gear users to help me though a cycle process, and hopefully find some people to talk with about an on off cycle PCT, and beginning a new cycle. thanks! stay safe 
If you want help you need to give us more information.Hey y’all, i need some help. 23 here, looking for some experienced gear users to help me though a cycle process, and hopefully find some people to talk with about an on off cycle PCT, and beginning a new cycle. thanks! stay safe
What are your goals?
Years training?
Height/weight?
Honestly at your age you don’t need drugs you just need to learn to train and eat for your goals
Some of my goals are to have that lean physique, while also being built. i’ve seen the wonders of winny, i have been taking it for 2 months. need to probably come off of it! i do want to compete, and be up on that stage.
-Training for about 2 years
-5’11/250lb
all honesty welcome, all is helping!
If your 23, 5'11" and 250lbs you are either way overweight or have insane genetics. Post a pic of your current physique.
And yes you should not be running orals much more than 6-8 weeks.
my families genetics have always been very good, my uncles was in a bunch of competitions, cutlers, etc. dads side always had the bods
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Def look like a bigger dude from what I can see but it also looks like your carrying some bodyfat.
I think honestly you should cut down a bit and see what's under the fat and then reassess.
Your still pretty young to be using steroids. I think maybe a SARMS cycle might suite you better to start with once you get bodyfat down a bit and if you are serious about progressing in this sport.
i appreciate all the help man! definitely will rethink it a bit. this below was me cut down, like pretty thin, but not the healthiest maintainable skinny. i want to avoid doing that again. i’ve seen a wide variety and ages taking steroids but wanted an experiment person’s view so thanks again. any reputable sites you recommend for the products?
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Yeah seeing this pic is telling me you have a ways to go. I really don't see any muscle separation.
Take some time to get the bodyfat down until you start to see some muscle and then think about building again.
You don't need drugs at your age to get the job done. I woul dget off the winstrol and just put in the work with diet/training.
Why don't you start a log that details what your diet and training currently look like and we can help get you on the right track to reach your goals.
Get some bloodwork done to see if you need PCT or not. Your prob ok but better to know.
you need to put up a log
go and look at the other logs on here, dudes started out looking like you and 100 page later look what they look like
that is what you need to do if you want to truly change your physique with or without steroids
go and look at the other logs on here, dudes started out looking like you and 100 page later look what they look like
that is what you need to do if you want to truly change your physique with or without steroids
you need to really think very long and hard about using any steroid so young... you are going to cause yourself a very miserable future.. it may sound and seem good to you now, but ive worked in this industry over 15 years and i have been through thousands of clients at this point and over 70% of them with the SAME story of having nothing but issue after issue and extremely low quality of life from using steroids too young... you have zero clue what you are getting into but i can assure you, nothing good long term with quality of life will come from it.... i wish you nothing but the best
i really appreciate this kind of feedback, just straightforward no bullshit-truth… my thoughts and mental clarity going into it was, well not much mental clarity but more of my quality of life NOW isn’t the greatest ahahahah if yk what i mean… but hey thank you.
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Hey y’all, i need some help. 23 here, looking for some experienced gear users to help me though a cycle process, and hopefully find some people to talk with about an on off cycle PCT, and beginning a new cycle. thanks! stay safe
@thatoneguyftl welcome to the EVO family! we appreciate you sharing with us.
You're looking good in the pic and you can gain mass and recomp for sure, its coming for you bro and the EVO family will help you.
Winstrol only can work for sure but you need a test base, but TRUTH is we dont know anything about you right?
so we are all guessing here
EVO family would love to help you set up a cycle but you need to share with us by starting a NEW thread with your CURRENT LOG journal, share diet training cardio sleep info and we can prep your cycle as a family and guide you to hot results
@s.gentz who posted here (he's a bodybuilder with shows under his belt and a moderator) has a log as an example for you - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2024-cut-recomp-log.99984/
To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us
Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that
in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Pre-cycle Diet Training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle
here is a good template on a workout log to follow:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/workout-log-template.99224/
here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/
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bro I say use steroids why the hell not
you only live once monstro proved to everybody that you can either Live Like a Man or die like a man
you only live once monstro proved to everybody that you can either Live Like a Man or die like a man
this is a tremendous opportunity to put up your own log
check out the other logs and see the improvements that guys have had
check out the other logs and see the improvements that guys have had
23 years old is not that young
I see no problem if you use steroids you might as well do them right
I see no problem if you use steroids you might as well do them right
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hey y’all thanks for the replies.have been in a vacation and will be posting my log here today at some point! i’ll make it detailed, as much as possible! apprescite all the help, but i agree why not F UKKK IT?? but also that’s my wanna liv slide to the fullest attitude coming out. i’ll get right to the log. stay tuned.
oh i didn’t want to, it’s what i had available from a fam member. i’m ready to pin up.
Winny is best used by competitors heading into their comp to dry out. Not something I would run solo for any goal.
Start up a log asap.......
I definitely agree log your jounery and we can help guide you in the right direction, definitely shouldn't be utilizing any kind of gear at your age.
You still have much to learn and do before you are ready for any kind of steroid imo.
Definitely need to post up a typical day if eating for yourself so we can see what you are doing.
You still have much to learn and do before you are ready for any kind of steroid imo.
Definitely need to post up a typical day if eating for yourself so we can see what you are doing.
To young imo
maybe… maybe not…
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