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CypherOCE said:
So happy it’s proven to work 🥹 if it can be stickied I’ll be over the moon!

Happy to help and offer advice to anyone going down the same route 😝
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This log will go down in EVO history as the best log on recovering from AAS use and having kids :D @CypherOCE you are loved :D
 
I don't want to be that guy, but i will.

There is so much wrong in this thread its not even funny, the more i read the more horrifying it was.

Now before everyone blasts me, I can speak bout this because i recently went on this exact same journey.

See my My fertility thread here. I sort of abandoned it, but my sperm reached 274 million per ml with motility over 68%. I had been constantly on for 5 years.

First and foremost i want to say, it takes at least 90 days for sperm to fully mature. I think OP gave himself 6 weeks before he pulled the pin and went back on TRT? No where near enough time!!

If you are coming off, then come off. Stop throwing more pharma at your body, you've done that enough. The body is an amazing machine, and homeostasis is a beautiful thing. There should have been no HCG/Clomid or HMG (for fucks sake) until at minimum 8 weeks post cessation. Why you ask?

The body needs clearance time to remove any testosterone and lingering metabolites out of the system. If you had taken 19nors (tren/nandrolone) this would take even longer. Tren/Nandrolone/19nors are the king of shutdown, so if you want to try to restart your HPTA , fuck them off a year out prior to coming off.

FSH/LH will come back to life via HPTA -> gNRH once your body realizes its no longer receiving exogenous testosterone.

Right off the bat you started with HCG/Clomid and you were horrified at the results. HCG is a mimetic, meaning that alone will shut down your bodies own natural ability to restart the HPTA. the testes are receiving exogenous LH signaling so the body's like, ok what's going on..
Just leave your body the fuck alone to do its thing. The only thing that should have been implemented to MAYBE cushion the fall was clomid, which blocks estrogen binding in the hypothalamus enabling increased signaling to the testes.

Whatever fertility doctor you were listening to is a moron. They have very little understanding with secondary hypogonadism and most concentrate on primary. I know this because i spent a long time seeing them through an IVF clinic.

The first sign that your testes are shot is INCREDIBLY HIGH FSH or LH, not INCREDIBLY LOW like in your case. You are a typical case of secondary hypogonadism, which is the pituitary gland is not firing properly or sending weak signals down stairs. High FHS/LH means gnRH is pulsing hard , trying to restart the factories, but they are damaged. This is incredibly rare from exogenous testosterone use, never been documented and the most common reason is primary hypogonadism (hereditary or by other means).

This is what you should have done.

Come off cold turkey
Blood tests in 6 weeks (if you were taking test enanthate) to ensure clearance from system
Blood test in 10 weeks to see where FSH/LH are at naturally
If FSH/LH are low, implement clomid only. If FSH/LH is good, leave the body to do its thing! No amount of HMG/HCG will ever compete with the body's own ability to produce hormones.
Blood test in 14 weeks to check progress
*Remember, LH can be Low , but as long as FSH hovers around the 3-7 mark, you will be making a shit ton of swimmers, as FSH is responsible for spermatogenesis and LH for testosterone production. The two are separate axis', don't get them confused and they do not need to work in synergy with one another.
If after 4 weeks on clomid FSH is still struggling around the 1-2 mark, then and only then would it be time to implement HMG, because your body clearly cant stimulate the HPTA->gnRH to signal the testes on its own. 14 weeks is plenty of time for FSH to turn back on naturally. LH, not so much. This is largely dependent on shutdown time and what you were taking (19nors shut down LH even longer)
Sperm analysis should be done 3 months from last shot to check progress. No earlier. Need 5 weeks clearance time and then 60-90 days to show appreciable sperm in the semen.

I think i read someone you were taking 3000IU HCG and 450IU EOD of HMG? Fuck me you must be going broke. Your body could have been doing this naturally by now, but you were throwing a noose around its neck whilst it was trying to recover..

Your nuts aren't broken, given that exogenous FSH/LH has restarted your sperm production. Your pituitary gland needed a little help to restart, that is all!!

I hope this is a short journey for you man or you will be broke in no time. My partner and I spent a year trying even whilst my sperm was 267 million per ml and motility through the roof and we ended up going with IVF (i think the issue is more to do with her and her age, being 33 and not having the highest quality of eggs).

I have gone back on TRT officially since August 1 2025 after 14 months off and did a sperm analysis yesterday and i have 0 sperm in my semen (azoospermia) as to be expected, because that's where i was when i started my journey. 0. 0 to 267 million in 6 months post cessation with no bullshit pharmacy added. cold turkey. My testosterone never recovered (never rose about 3-5nmol, LH was like 1-2 for an entire year ) so i am now on prescribed TRT through enhanced men's clinic.

Good luck with your journey my man, sorry hammering down my points but fuck me there are some people on here that just should not have the privilege of giving advice.
 
Adoniss87 said:
I don't want to be that guy, but i will.

There is so much wrong in this thread its not even funny, the more i read the more horrifying it was.

Now before everyone blasts me, I can speak bout this because i recently went on this exact same journey.

See my My fertility thread here. I sort of abandoned it, but my sperm reached 274 million per ml with motility over 68%. I had been constantly on for 5 years.

First and foremost i want to say, it takes at least 90 days for sperm to fully mature. I think OP gave himself 6 weeks before he pulled the pin and went back on TRT? No where near enough time!!

If you are coming off, then come off. Stop throwing more pharma at your body, you've done that enough. The body is an amazing machine, and homeostasis is a beautiful thing. There should have been no HCG/Clomid or HMG (for fucks sake) until at minimum 8 weeks post cessation. Why you ask?

The body needs clearance time to remove any testosterone and lingering metabolites out of the system. If you had taken 19nors (tren/nandrolone) this would take even longer. Tren/Nandrolone/19nors are the king of shutdown, so if you want to try to restart your HPTA , fuck them off a year out prior to coming off.

FSH/LH will come back to life via HPTA -> gNRH once your body realizes its no longer receiving exogenous testosterone.

Right off the bat you started with HCG/Clomid and you were horrified at the results. HCG is a mimetic, meaning that alone will shut down your bodies own natural ability to restart the HPTA. the testes are receiving exogenous LH signaling so the body's like, ok what's going on..
Just leave your body the fuck alone to do its thing. The only thing that should have been implemented to MAYBE cushion the fall was clomid, which blocks estrogen binding in the hypothalamus enabling increased signaling to the testes.

Whatever fertility doctor you were listening to is a moron. They have very little understanding with secondary hypogonadism and most concentrate on primary. I know this because i spent a long time seeing them through an IVF clinic.

The first sign that your testes are shot is INCREDIBLY HIGH FSH or LH, not INCREDIBLY LOW like in your case. You are a typical case of secondary hypogonadism, which is the pituitary gland is not firing properly or sending weak signals down stairs. High FHS/LH means gnRH is pulsing hard , trying to restart the factories, but they are damaged. This is incredibly rare from exogenous testosterone use, never been documented and the most common reason is primary hypogonadism (hereditary or by other means).

This is what you should have done.

Come off cold turkey
Blood tests in 6 weeks (if you were taking test enanthate) to ensure clearance from system
Blood test in 10 weeks to see where FSH/LH are at naturally
If FSH/LH are low, implement clomid only. If FSH/LH is good, leave the body to do its thing! No amount of HMG/HCG will ever compete with the body's own ability to produce hormones.
Blood test in 14 weeks to check progress
*Remember, LH can be Low , but as long as FSH hovers around the 3-7 mark, you will be making a shit ton of swimmers, as FSH is responsible for spermatogenesis and LH for testosterone production. The two are separate axis', don't get them confused and they do not need to work in synergy with one another.
If after 4 weeks on clomid FSH is still struggling around the 1-2 mark, then and only then would it be time to implement HMG, because your body clearly cant stimulate the HPTA->gnRH to signal the testes on its own. 14 weeks is plenty of time for FSH to turn back on naturally. LH, not so much. This is largely dependent on shutdown time and what you were taking (19nors shut down LH even longer)
Sperm analysis should be done 3 months from last shot to check progress. No earlier. Need 5 weeks clearance time and then 60-90 days to show appreciable sperm in the semen.

I think i read someone you were taking 3000IU HCG and 450IU EOD of HMG? Fuck me you must be going broke. Your body could have been doing this naturally by now, but you were throwing a noose around its neck whilst it was trying to recover..

Your nuts aren't broken, given that exogenous FSH/LH has restarted your sperm production. Your pituitary gland needed a little help to restart, that is all!!

I hope this is a short journey for you man or you will be broke in no time. My partner and I spent a year trying even whilst my sperm was 267 million per ml and motility through the roof and we ended up going with IVF (i think the issue is more to do with her and her age, being 33 and not having the highest quality of eggs).

I have gone back on TRT officially since August 1 2025 after 14 months off and did a sperm analysis yesterday and i have 0 sperm in my semen (azoospermia) as to be expected, because that's where i was when i started my journey. 0. 0 to 267 million in 6 months post cessation with no bullshit pharmacy added. cold turkey. My testosterone never recovered (never rose about 3-5nmol, LH was like 1-2 for an entire year ) so i am now on prescribed TRT through enhanced men's clinic.

Good luck with your journey my man, sorry hammering down my points but fuck me there are some people on here that just should not have the privilege of giving advice.
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This is an interesting story :D @Adoniss87
you should do a TRT log now and really get us updated, many EVO brothers can learn from your journey I'm serious!
 
Adoniss87 said:
I don't want to be that guy, but i will.

There is so much wrong in this thread its not even funny, the more i read the more horrifying it was.

Now before everyone blasts me, I can speak bout this because i recently went on this exact same journey.

See my My fertility thread here. I sort of abandoned it, but my sperm reached 274 million per ml with motility over 68%. I had been constantly on for 5 years.

First and foremost i want to say, it takes at least 90 days for sperm to fully mature. I think OP gave himself 6 weeks before he pulled the pin and went back on TRT? No where near enough time!!

If you are coming off, then come off. Stop throwing more pharma at your body, you've done that enough. The body is an amazing machine, and homeostasis is a beautiful thing. There should have been no HCG/Clomid or HMG (for fucks sake) until at minimum 8 weeks post cessation. Why you ask?

The body needs clearance time to remove any testosterone and lingering metabolites out of the system. If you had taken 19nors (tren/nandrolone) this would take even longer. Tren/Nandrolone/19nors are the king of shutdown, so if you want to try to restart your HPTA , fuck them off a year out prior to coming off.

FSH/LH will come back to life via HPTA -> gNRH once your body realizes its no longer receiving exogenous testosterone.

Right off the bat you started with HCG/Clomid and you were horrified at the results. HCG is a mimetic, meaning that alone will shut down your bodies own natural ability to restart the HPTA. the testes are receiving exogenous LH signaling so the body's like, ok what's going on..
Just leave your body the fuck alone to do its thing. The only thing that should have been implemented to MAYBE cushion the fall was clomid, which blocks estrogen binding in the hypothalamus enabling increased signaling to the testes.

Whatever fertility doctor you were listening to is a moron. They have very little understanding with secondary hypogonadism and most concentrate on primary. I know this because i spent a long time seeing them through an IVF clinic.

The first sign that your testes are shot is INCREDIBLY HIGH FSH or LH, not INCREDIBLY LOW like in your case. You are a typical case of secondary hypogonadism, which is the pituitary gland is not firing properly or sending weak signals down stairs. High FHS/LH means gnRH is pulsing hard , trying to restart the factories, but they are damaged. This is incredibly rare from exogenous testosterone use, never been documented and the most common reason is primary hypogonadism (hereditary or by other means).

This is what you should have done.

Come off cold turkey
Blood tests in 6 weeks (if you were taking test enanthate) to ensure clearance from system
Blood test in 10 weeks to see where FSH/LH are at naturally
If FSH/LH are low, implement clomid only. If FSH/LH is good, leave the body to do its thing! No amount of HMG/HCG will ever compete with the body's own ability to produce hormones.
Blood test in 14 weeks to check progress
*Remember, LH can be Low , but as long as FSH hovers around the 3-7 mark, you will be making a shit ton of swimmers, as FSH is responsible for spermatogenesis and LH for testosterone production. The two are separate axis', don't get them confused and they do not need to work in synergy with one another.
If after 4 weeks on clomid FSH is still struggling around the 1-2 mark, then and only then would it be time to implement HMG, because your body clearly cant stimulate the HPTA->gnRH to signal the testes on its own. 14 weeks is plenty of time for FSH to turn back on naturally. LH, not so much. This is largely dependent on shutdown time and what you were taking (19nors shut down LH even longer)
Sperm analysis should be done 3 months from last shot to check progress. No earlier. Need 5 weeks clearance time and then 60-90 days to show appreciable sperm in the semen.

I think i read someone you were taking 3000IU HCG and 450IU EOD of HMG? Fuck me you must be going broke. Your body could have been doing this naturally by now, but you were throwing a noose around its neck whilst it was trying to recover..

Your nuts aren't broken, given that exogenous FSH/LH has restarted your sperm production. Your pituitary gland needed a little help to restart, that is all!!

I hope this is a short journey for you man or you will be broke in no time. My partner and I spent a year trying even whilst my sperm was 267 million per ml and motility through the roof and we ended up going with IVF (i think the issue is more to do with her and her age, being 33 and not having the highest quality of eggs).

I have gone back on TRT officially since August 1 2025 after 14 months off and did a sperm analysis yesterday and i have 0 sperm in my semen (azoospermia) as to be expected, because that's where i was when i started my journey. 0. 0 to 267 million in 6 months post cessation with no bullshit pharmacy added. cold turkey. My testosterone never recovered (never rose about 3-5nmol, LH was like 1-2 for an entire year ) so i am now on prescribed TRT through enhanced men's clinic.

Good luck with your journey my man, sorry hammering down my points but fuck me there are some people on here that just should not have the privilege of giving advice.
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Coming off and killing myself in the process because I felt like an absolute train wreck wasn’t exactly ideal. Actually counter productive to the stated goals.

Definitely not broke 😂 Gonal F while expensive isn’t that bad. a box lasts 2-3 weeks and I get 4 box per script refill. HCG also isn’t expensive.

So your “going broke” comment doesn’t exactly ring true maybe others it would but I work enough and I’ve set myself up in the last ten years that money isn’t a massive concern like it may be for others.

Could you achieve everything I’ve done while coming off? Sure. Did I want to end up walking in front of traffic because I felt like absolute shit? No. Was I willing to wait and see and roll the dice? No.

You’ve made a lot of assumptions here amongst the wealth on information but at the end of the day my method worked. Your method worked. Not everyone has to follow in my footsteps 🤷🏻‍♂️ it’s just here as a guide that “works”

Further to your points, It could very well take a year like it has for you to have a baby and I’ll still be fine financially.. time factor isn’t as important as my own mental health in the process. I’d rather be alive and happy than being miserable and considering other options. You may not mind having low T but I will definitely never be going down that route ever again. That is not a fate I would wish upon my worst enemy.
 
CypherOCE said:
Coming off and killing myself in the process because I felt like an absolute train wreck wasn’t exactly ideal. Actually counter productive to the stated goals.

Definitely not broke 😂 Gonal F while expensive isn’t that bad. a box lasts 2-3 weeks and I get 4 box per script refill. HCG also isn’t expensive.

So your “going broke” comment doesn’t exactly ring true maybe others it would but I work enough and I’ve set myself up in the last ten years that money isn’t a massive concern like it may be for others.

Could you achieve everything I’ve done while coming off? Sure. Did I want to end up walking in front of traffic because I felt like absolute shit? No. Was I willing to wait and see and roll the dice? No.

You’ve made a lot of assumptions here amongst the wealth on information but at the end of the day my method worked. Your method worked. Not everyone has to follow in my footsteps 🤷🏻‍♂️ it’s just here as a guide that “works”

Further to your points, It could very well take a year like it has for you to have a baby and I’ll still be fine financially.. time factor isn’t as important as my own mental health in the process. I’d rather be alive and happy than being miserable and considering other options. You may not mind having low T but I will definitely never be going down that route ever again. That is not a fate I would wish upon my worst enemy.
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You are right and apologies for the emotionally charged response, quite a bit out of line. As i look back on what i wrote it seems more anecdotal rather than factually driven. I think its because i spent so long trawling through various forums and being given large amounts of misinformation over the last 2 years and unfortunately have some "eeemotional damage" from it all.

Fertility is a tough road. My partner and I still aren't successful btw. We had 1 failed embryo transfer and we have 2 left remaining. MIVF completely botched the transfer and refused to take responsibility and it was our best quality egg.

I froze 12 vials of semen whilst i had super swimmers, however i am considering steering away from MIVF and going the natural route. The issue here is, i spent thousands on UGL Lab HCG/HMG and got no where, which leads me to believe i either didn't take enough , or the stuff was bunk, which was adding to my stress. The best results i ever got were 4 million per ml sperm with 55% motility, which is why i threw all the gear in the bin and went cold turkey, as the stress on not only myself, but my wife was unbearable. Its a very disappointing feeling to know, you are the problem in the equation.

If you don't mind sharing, how did you go about getting prescribed FSH/HCG here in Aus? I am in Victoria, Australia . I thought it was only available for women through IVF Clinics?

Anyway, have a great day, again apologies for the emotionally charged rant.
 
Great log @CypherOCE.
Justin Harris has helped a few guys get their partners pregnant by running 2g TEST only for 5-6 weeks + HCG + HMG. Ben Chow spoke about it on RBP a while back.
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Adoniss87 said:
You are right and apologies for the emotionally charged response, quite a bit out of line. As i look back on what i wrote it seems more anecdotal rather than factually driven. I think its because i spent so long trawling through various forums and being given large amounts of misinformation over the last 2 years and unfortunately have some "eeemotional damage" from it all.

Fertility is a tough road. My partner and I still aren't successful btw. We had 1 failed embryo transfer and we have 2 left remaining. MIVF completely botched the transfer and refused to take responsibility and it was our best quality egg.

I froze 12 vials of semen whilst i had super swimmers, however i am considering steering away from MIVF and going the natural route. The issue here is, i spent thousands on UGL Lab HCG/HMG and got no where, which leads me to believe i either didn't take enough , or the stuff was bunk, which was adding to my stress. The best results i ever got were 4 million per ml sperm with 55% motility, which is why i threw all the gear in the bin and went cold turkey, as the stress on not only myself, but my wife was unbearable. Its a very disappointing feeling to know, you are the problem in the equation.

If you don't mind sharing, how did you go about getting prescribed FSH/HCG here in Aus? I am in Victoria, Australia . I thought it was only available for women through IVF Clinics?

Anyway, have a great day, again apologies for the emotionally charged rant.
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It’s okay, it can be very emotional especially with fertility. I 110% agree with what you said the stress you feel is immense and you end up hating yourself for the position you find yourself in, I understand completely.

I’m sorry to hear IVF hasn’t worked for you yet 😞 I hope it does yield the results your both after! It’s gotta be beyond disappointing when it hasn’t worked

For the HMG/HCG I sourced this from @Wolfenstein (don’t know why I can’t tag him) we had it all HPLC tested and he was just as concerned that it could be faked / bunked. in the end we decided against using more UGL HMG and I found the private script option for Gonal F via Primal Zone when Dave Lee was working with them.

It was $1800 for the script but that covers 4 repeats of 4 boxes every time and I’ve only used it once so far. so I still have 3 repeats/12 boxes to go.

They said to use 150IU x3 times a week but honestly you could probably get away with less I just wanted to follow what they said. I’m sure 300IU weekly would be fine 🧐 or maybe even less but I didn’t experiment with dosages

If I’m successful with having a baby soon I’m happy to give whatever I have left over to you since I’m in Victoria anyway which is the same as you 🤓
 
SaxaPepper said:
Great log @CypherOCE.
Justin Harris has helped a few guys get their partners pregnant by running 2g TEST only for 5-6 weeks + HCG + HMG. Ben Chow spoke about it on RBP a while back.
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I’ll have to watch this when I get a spare moment today! Thanks for the link my man 🤓
 
CypherOCE said:
It’s okay, it can be very emotional especially with fertility. I 110% agree with what you said the stress you feel is immense and you end up hating yourself for the position you find yourself in, I understand completely.

I’m sorry to hear IVF hasn’t worked for you yet 😞 I hope it does yield the results your both after! It’s gotta be beyond disappointing when it hasn’t worked

For the HMG/HCG I sourced this from @Wolfenstein (don’t know why I can’t tag him) we had it all HPLC tested and he was just as concerned that it could be faked / bunked. in the end we decided against using more UGL HMG and I found the private script option for Gonal F via Primal Zone when Dave Lee was working with them.

It was $1800 for the script but that covers 4 repeats of 4 boxes every time and I’ve only used it once so far. so I still have 3 repeats/12 boxes to go.

They said to use 150IU x3 times a week but honestly you could probably get away with less I just wanted to follow what they said. I’m sure 300IU weekly would be fine 🧐 or maybe even less but I didn’t experiment with dosages

If I’m successful with having a baby soon I’m happy to give whatever I have left over to you since I’m in Victoria anyway which is the same as you 🤓
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If you don't mind me asking, what were the test results of the UGL HMG/HCG?

CypherOCE said:
I’ll have to watch this when I get a spare moment today! Thanks for the link my man 🤓
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No problem bro. I'm planning on giving it a run in a few weeks. Just trying to source the ancillaries atm
!
 
SaxaPepper said:
If you don't mind me asking, what were the test results of the UGL HMG/HCG?


No problem bro. I'm planning on giving it a run in a few weeks. Just trying to source the ancillaries atm
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Definitely speak with @Wolfenstein im not sure if the HCG / HMG is the same batch

But the 10,000IU HCG came back at I think 12 something which was awesome and the HMG was slightly under the 75IU from memory but I could be wrong - I ended up swapping to the rFSH because it’s much more potent than the UGL HMG not to say that it won’t work but I was getting very anxious haha
 
CypherOCE said:
It’s okay, it can be very emotional especially with fertility. I 110% agree with what you said the stress you feel is immense and you end up hating yourself for the position you find yourself in, I understand completely.

I’m sorry to hear IVF hasn’t worked for you yet 😞 I hope it does yield the results your both after! It’s gotta be beyond disappointing when it hasn’t worked

For the HMG/HCG I sourced this from @Wolfenstein (don’t know why I can’t tag him) we had it all HPLC tested and he was just as concerned that it could be faked / bunked. in the end we decided against using more UGL HMG and I found the private script option for Gonal F via Primal Zone when Dave Lee was working with them.

It was $1800 for the script but that covers 4 repeats of 4 boxes every time and I’ve only used it once so far. so I still have 3 repeats/12 boxes to go.

They said to use 150IU x3 times a week but honestly you could probably get away with less I just wanted to follow what they said. I’m sure 300IU weekly would be fine 🧐 or maybe even less but I didn’t experiment with dosages

If I’m successful with having a baby soon I’m happy to give whatever I have left over to you since I’m in Victoria anyway which is the same as you 🤓
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Thank you. I assume there isn't a possibility to get those scripts again through Primal/Dave Lee?

I have found this clinic in Melbourne which looks promising to perhaps get on HCG/FSH via the IVF PBS Scheme

https://www.menshealthmelbourne.com.au/

As i have been diagnosed with secondary hypogonadism (testosterone never recovered beyond 3-4nmol after 12 months), i think i am a good candidate for the treatment. I will give them a call next week and find out more information.

If you do happen to make the magic happen with your significant other, please continue taking the hormones for at least the first tri-mester until you are in the clear. Nothing worse than having something devastating happen, only to realize you need to jump back on for another 60-90 days to restart the system.

If you do have any spare though i will take some off you. Have a great new years and wishing you and your partner all the best!
 
Adoniss87 said:
Thank you. I assume there isn't a possibility to get those scripts again through Primal/Dave Lee?

I have found this clinic in Melbourne which looks promising to perhaps get on HCG/FSH via the IVF PBS Scheme

https://www.menshealthmelbourne.com.au/

As i have been diagnosed with secondary hypogonadism (testosterone never recovered beyond 3-4nmol after 12 months), i think i am a good candidate for the treatment. I will give them a call next week and find out more information.

If you do happen to make the magic happen with your significant other, please continue taking the hormones for at least the first tri-mester until you are in the clear. Nothing worse than having something devastating happen, only to realize you need to jump back on for another 60-90 days to restart the system.

If you do have any spare though i will take some off you. Have a great new years and wishing you and your partner all the best!
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I ran HMG, HCG and Enclomiphene, right after coming off cycle which was NPP, Test and Primo.

Tell me why I would do it your way when my wife is pregnant after 3 months on that protocol?

You come across as very aggressive and arrogant, respectfully, most of the advice from fertility doctors and doctors in general is rubbish because they dont understand the mechanisms that led us to be infertile to begin with.

Putting HMG and HCG into your body is worlds better than putting AAS into it, why would I draw a line at gonadotropins?
 
Not gonna lie i didn't read all that @Adoniss87 but you know what's funny. This shit effects everyone differently.
What's weird is you coming onto duckys log to attack him about it?
Maybe I should have done a fertility log? Mine would have been just blast deca and test worked a treat for me?
 
Dreamer said:
I ran HMG, HCG and Enclomiphene, right after coming off cycle which was NPP, Test and Primo.

Tell me why I would do it your way when my wife is pregnant after 3 months on that protocol?

You come across as very aggressive and arrogant, respectfully, most of the advice from fertility doctors and doctors in general is rubbish because they dont understand the mechanisms that led us to be infertile to begin with.

Putting HMG and HCG into your body is worlds better than putting AAS into it, why would I draw a line at gonadotropins?
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I've seen none of that in the cited reply. Did you mean to quote this?
 
Mobster said:
I've seen none of that in the cited reply. Did you mean to quote this?
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I think I grabbed his wrong reply, he had 3, my bad. His first post in response to this log was basically dismissing the whole thing and calling it stupid, when it has clearly worked for @CypherOCE and he has tried a different way which has not
 
Hey bro I took a year off cycle about 4 years ago now and dont give up man, I know the excitement of a late period and doing a test thinking you've finally done it and the dissapointment that comes with it just as we starting thinking going down the ivf path it happened now I have a beautiful 3 and a half year old daughter and its the best thing i have and ever will achieve in life. It'll happen when its time man. Even if the swimmers are low my test levels were 0.2nnmol and my swimmers were minimal cant remember the exact figure but it was only a few hundred thousand with 11% of them being normal still it only takes one right. If crack heads can have babies so can we. I wish you all the best mate in your journey it will happen. Funny thing is I felt great at 0.2nnmol test level our reference range is 12 to 32 nnmol. Strength was still great and sex drive was normal not extreme but still worked. I only ran hcg for a few weeks as my pockets werent that full back then and hmg was hard to get and super expensive. So youve got some good stuff on your side to get you there.
 
Dreamer said:
I think I grabbed his wrong reply, he had 3, my bad. His first post in response to this log was basically dismissing the whole thing and calling it stupid, when it has clearly worked for @CypherOCE and he has tried a different way which has not
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In the one that followed it (I found it) he apologized.

Truth is the issue can be emotive and very frustrating. Ignoring the issue of fertility for a moment who likes to hear they're wrong, bad a bad BIG decision and will fail. Esp so from random people on the net.

I've touched upon the issue of IVF. Less we think otherwise it's a literal pain for the woman (who may well be still fertile) having eggs (hopefully now impregnated by a single sperm implanted and to then 'take'. If it fails it's not a million mikes away from miscarrying and that's hard on BOTH parties. And all because we, men (usually but of course use of PEDs by women will affect female fertility too), decided to stay on steroids.

Society and esp the so-called 1st world version of it is having more fertility issues as is. On average we're having kids later than previous generations. Those in the 'professions' and further education are often waiting until their late 30's (just as fertility drops off). That's without the impact of poor diets, stress, drugs (reccy and medical), pollution and so on. To balance that we're approaching the tipping point re food to feed the population (approx 6.5-7B on my last look) and don't NEED to have kids per se. Certainly not billions more.

When we become stressed and emotional and or look for a 'fix' we can be VERY selective and blinkered ion what we look for by way crossing our fingers. From using VS as an 'expert', random posts on reddit and so on and, at the same throwing out info from actual medically trained experts while misleading them by lying or understating our PED use. But hey... that's on YOU. Zero need for anyone to kick off with anyone else. Esp those trying, if poorly and NOT experts (who here is?) on fertility. Literally all we can do here is offer up suggestions. Or talk about what we did. And in many cases the times it didn't work aren't included usually.
 
Mobster said:
In the one that followed it (I found it) he apologized.

Truth is the issue can be emotive and very frustrating. Ignoring the issue of fertility for a moment who likes to hear they're wrong, bad a bad BIG decision and will fail. Esp so from random people on the net.

I've touched upon the issue of IVF. Less we think otherwise it's a literal pain for the woman (who may well be still fertile) having eggs (hopefully now impregnated by a single sperm implanted and to then 'take'. If it fails it's not a million mikes away from miscarrying and that's hard on BOTH parties. And all because we, men (usually but of course use of PEDs by women will affect female fertility too), decided to stay on steroids.

Society and esp the so-called 1st world version of it is having more fertility issues as is. On average we're having kids later than previous generations. Those in the 'professions' and further education are often waiting until their late 30's (just as fertility drops off). That's without the impact of poor diets, stress, drugs (reccy and medical), pollution and so on. To balance that we're approaching the tipping point re food to feed the population (approx 6.5-7B on my last look) and don't NEED to have kids per se. Certainly not billions more.

When we become stressed and emotional and or look for a 'fix' we can be VERY selective and blinkered ion what we look for by way crossing our fingers. From using VS as an 'expert', random posts on reddit and so on and, at the same throwing out info from actual medically trained experts while misleading them by lying or understating our PED use. But hey... that's on YOU. Zero need for anyone to kick off with anyone else. Esp those trying, if poorly and NOT experts (who here is?) on fertility. Literally all we can do here is offer up suggestions. Or talk about what we did. And in many cases the times it didn't work aren't included usually.
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Well put @Mobster and some very good points, I think you are correct and even my emotion in response is from that exact place, I think this is such a niche and misunderstood and likely - down to luck area of what we do, that I got frustrated to have what seems to be a relatively solid approach being torn down because someone doesnt see it that way - we are all here to learn and I know I would of tried anything that was offered to me to restore fertility.
I do not believe there is a one set way this stuff works.

I know we spoke about this on the podcast, and upon reflecting you are correct alot of my success probably came from luck, but the science also says these hormones and compounds are the best shot you have at restoring it.
 
Dreamer said:
Well put @Mobster and some very good points, I think you are correct and even my emotion in response is from that exact place, I think this is such a niche and misunderstood and likely - down to luck area of what we do, that I got frustrated to have what seems to be a relatively solid approach being torn down because someone doesnt see it that way - we are all here to learn and I know I would of tried anything that was offered to me to restore fertility.
I do not believe there is a one set way this stuff works.

I know we spoke about this on the podcast, and upon reflecting you are correct alot of my success probably came from luck, but the science also says these hormones and compounds are the best shot you have at restoring it.
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I'd agree with the it in bold. Here's why:
1. The 'It takes one' view. Cos that's all that's needed
2. How long we're on
3. The age when we went on and apparent physical maturity
4. Amounts/doses we took
5. Quality of, of done, the PCT
6. Other individual habits (reccy drugs and lifestyle)
7. Actual health and medical conditions

Other aspects inc work, age and stress.
 
After stopping work for the year for our holiday season

I can say my stress levels have dropped off massively maybe anecdotal but my RHR has dropped from 75/76 to 62 and I’m still taking everything and doing the exact same things minus a lot of training because there are no gyms were we currently are 😂

Food intake has also been dropped as it’s very sporadic and fuck all options since our original accommodation got fkd up with booking.com 😂

Anyway, TLDR I’m feeling much better while I’m off work which was the same when I started this protocol.

While I was on holidays earlier this year I didn’t even notice my test levels were so low I felt fine and I was averaging 20k + steps daily it’s only once I got back to work after 7/8 weeks that I felt like utter shit
 
CypherOCE said:
After stopping work for the year for our holiday season

I can say my stress levels have dropped off massively maybe anecdotal but my RHR has dropped from 75/76 to 62 and I’m still taking everything and doing the exact same things minus a lot of training because there are no gyms were we currently are 😂

Food intake has also been dropped as it’s very sporadic and fuck all options since our original accommodation got fkd up with booking.com 😂

Anyway, TLDR I’m feeling much better while I’m off work which was the same when I started this protocol.

While I was on holidays earlier this year I didn’t even notice my test levels were so low I felt fine and I was averaging 20k + steps daily it’s only once I got back to work after 7/8 weeks that I felt like utter shit
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Stress is a big factor in many things :D I hope you do better in 2026 and really recover and go for your goals :D EVO family support and love your way @CypherOCE

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
 
CypherOCE said:
After stopping work for the year for our holiday season

I can say my stress levels have dropped off massively maybe anecdotal but my RHR has dropped from 75/76 to 62 and I’m still taking everything and doing the exact same things minus a lot of training because there are no gyms were we currently are 😂

Food intake has also been dropped as it’s very sporadic and fuck all options since our original accommodation got fkd up with booking.com 😂

Anyway, TLDR I’m feeling much better while I’m off work which was the same when I started this protocol.

While I was on holidays earlier this year I didn’t even notice my test levels were so low I felt fine and I was averaging 20k + steps daily it’s only once I got back to work after 7/8 weeks that I felt like utter shit
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Sounds like for 2026 let's focus on self-care ideas for you when works cranks up again; work is obviously a source of stress for you which can affect all sorts of blood markers, fertility too, and overall general well being as you know.

Do you have an 'after work' routine to wind down or something new to try in mind?
 
LevButlerov said:
Stress is a big factor in many things :D I hope you do better in 2026 and really recover and go for your goals :D EVO family support and love your way @CypherOCE

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
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Thanks level! I hope you enjoy your 2026 also! 🥳

HarleyGuy said:
Sounds like for 2026 let's focus on self-care ideas for you when works cranks up again; work is obviously a source of stress for you which can affect all sorts of blood markers, fertility too, and overall general well being as you know.

Do you have an 'after work' routine to wind down or something new to try in mind?
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Ahhh not really, work is usually 10-12 hours 😂 I try to get out earlier but it doesn’t always happen how I envision.. perks of the job I guess 🙃 wind down time is usually the gym, that’s all I’ve been doing after work. I might starting going early morning again but I’m not sure yet


Allupfromhere said:
Happy new year brother! May 2026 bring you all the babies and gainz your after. 🔥💙
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Thanks bro! Hopefully baby cypher coming soon 🤓🥳
 
CypherOCE said:
After stopping work for the year for our holiday season

I can say my stress levels have dropped off massively maybe anecdotal but my RHR has dropped from 75/76 to 62 and I’m still taking everything and doing the exact same things minus a lot of training because there are no gyms were we currently are 😂

Food intake has also been dropped as it’s very sporadic and fuck all options since our original accommodation got fkd up with booking.com 😂

Anyway, TLDR I’m feeling much better while I’m off work which was the same when I started this protocol.

While I was on holidays earlier this year I didn’t even notice my test levels were so low I felt fine and I was averaging 20k + steps daily it’s only once I got back to work after 7/8 weeks that I felt like utter shit
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Good shit brother. Managing stress, sleep and recovery is foundational to any physique or health related goal. What's your plan/ goal for 2026?

HAPPY NEW YEAR SON!
 
R.AP said:
Good shit brother. Managing stress, sleep and recovery is foundational to any physique or health related goal. What's your plan/ goal for 2026?

HAPPY NEW YEAR SON!
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Hopefully get the wife pregnant while staying relatively lean is the main focus but other than that looking forward to a bulk after first trimester if we’re successful 😈

Currently sitting around 88/89kg pretty consistently which has kept me pretty lean

Pic below from before we left for a holiday

I’ll be looking for a coach for the bulk and you’re top of that list 🤓
 

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Hopefully get the wife pregnant while staying relatively lean is the main focus but other than that looking forward to a bulk after first trimester if we’re successful 😈

Currently sitting around 88/89kg pretty consistently which has kept me pretty lean

Pic below from before we left for a holiday

I’ll be looking for a coach for the bulk and you’re top of that list 🤓
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Looking lean AF bro great work!

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I’ll be looking for a coach for the bulk and you’re top of that list 🤓
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Can't go wrong with @R.AP he's got a great attitude and is a pleasure to have here on EVO.
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looking forward to a bulk after first trimester if we’re successful 😈
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Now THIS will be fun to watch! :p
 
🍼 important announcement 🍼

The swimmers have officially been made great again.

After months of planning, protocols, testing, and giving my endocrine system more attention than it ever asked for, the boys clearly got the message.

Turns out with a little biochemical encouragement and some patience, even a suppressed system can still rise to the occasion.
Results have exceeded expectations 🥹

Operation baby cypher - mission accomplished.

I don’t think the smile will ever come off my face, while not the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do it definitely emotionally taxing @Wolfenstein can confirm probably complained to him the most 😂 thanks for putting up with me my man 🤓

Thanks for following along 😝 it’s still early days and we have no idea what we’re having yet so might be a few more updates to come with scans etc 🥳

Also put the finally results down below from the at home test kit 🫣
 

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CypherOCE said:
🍼 important announcement 🍼

The swimmers have officially been made great again.

After months of planning, protocols, testing, and giving my endocrine system more attention than it ever asked for, the boys clearly got the message.

Turns out with a little biochemical encouragement and some patience, even a suppressed system can still rise to the occasion.
Results have exceeded expectations 🥹

Operation baby cypher - mission accomplished.

I don’t think the smile will ever come off my face, while not the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do it definitely emotionally taxing @Wolfenstein can confirm probably complained to him the most 😂 thanks for putting up with me my man 🤓

Thanks for following along 😝 it’s still early days and we have no idea what we’re having yet so might be a few more updates to come with scans etc 🥳

Also put the finally results down below from the at home test kit 🫣
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Congrats brother 👌🎉
 
CypherOCE said:
🍼 important announcement 🍼

The swimmers have officially been made great again.

After months of planning, protocols, testing, and giving my endocrine system more attention than it ever asked for, the boys clearly got the message.

Turns out with a little biochemical encouragement and some patience, even a suppressed system can still rise to the occasion.
Results have exceeded expectations 🥹

Operation baby cypher - mission accomplished.

I don’t think the smile will ever come off my face, while not the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do it definitely emotionally taxing @Wolfenstein can confirm probably complained to him the most 😂 thanks for putting up with me my man 🤓

Thanks for following along 😝 it’s still early days and we have no idea what we’re having yet so might be a few more updates to come with scans etc 🥳

Also put the finally results down below from the at home test kit 🫣
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swimmers are back happy to hear :D @CypherOCE now you can get on cycle? ??? :D

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@Coolguy @toddthelineman @Sheshredz
@Trenhead3cc
 
CypherOCE said:
🍼 important announcement 🍼

The swimmers have officially been made great again.

After months of planning, protocols, testing, and giving my endocrine system more attention than it ever asked for, the boys clearly got the message.

Turns out with a little biochemical encouragement and some patience, even a suppressed system can still rise to the occasion.
Results have exceeded expectations 🥹

Operation baby cypher - mission accomplished.

I don’t think the smile will ever come off my face, while not the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do it definitely emotionally taxing @Wolfenstein can confirm probably complained to him the most 😂 thanks for putting up with me my man 🤓

Thanks for following along 😝 it’s still early days and we have no idea what we’re having yet so might be a few more updates to come with scans etc 🥳

Also put the finally results down below from the at home test kit 🫣
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Congratulations 🎊
 
Congrats again brother - I am so happy this worked for you, I know the stress and feelings you went through all to well myself, but I also know the happiness you and your wife are feeling now, enjoy it, you deserve it 🫶🏼
 
BobbyFranky said:
Congrats brother 👌🎉
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Thanks bro!

LevButlerov said:
swimmers are back happy to hear :D @CypherOCE now you can get on cycle? ??? :D

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@Coolguy @toddthelineman @Sheshredz
@Trenhead3cc
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Soon! After the first trimester I think we will be out of the woods for miscarriages etc so I’ll probably wait until then

Grumpy said:
Congratulations 🎊
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Thanks grumps!

Dreamer said:
Congrats again brother - I am so happy this worked for you, I know the stress and feelings you went through all to well myself, but I also know the happiness you and your wife are feeling now, enjoy it, you deserve it 🫶🏼
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Ahh bro so glad it happened I haven’t stopped smiling hahaha 😂 I was at the in laws yesterday and it was so hard not to say anything 😂 wife doesn’t want to tell them just yet

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Congratulations. Im a uncle once again
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Thanks uncle pigsy 😝
 
CypherOCE said:
🍼 important announcement 🍼

The swimmers have officially been made great again.

After months of planning, protocols, testing, and giving my endocrine system more attention than it ever asked for, the boys clearly got the message.

Turns out with a little biochemical encouragement and some patience, even a suppressed system can still rise to the occasion.
Results have exceeded expectations 🥹

Operation baby cypher - mission accomplished.

I don’t think the smile will ever come off my face, while not the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do it definitely emotionally taxing @Wolfenstein can confirm probably complained to him the most 😂 thanks for putting up with me my man 🤓

Thanks for following along 😝 it’s still early days and we have no idea what we’re having yet so might be a few more updates to come with scans etc 🥳

Also put the finally results down below from the at home test kit 🫣
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Awesome results. Congrats mate!
 
CypherOCE said:
🍼 important announcement 🍼

The swimmers have officially been made great again.

After months of planning, protocols, testing, and giving my endocrine system more attention than it ever asked for, the boys clearly got the message.

Turns out with a little biochemical encouragement and some patience, even a suppressed system can still rise to the occasion.
Results have exceeded expectations 🥹

Operation baby cypher - mission accomplished.

I don’t think the smile will ever come off my face, while not the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do it definitely emotionally taxing @Wolfenstein can confirm probably complained to him the most 😂 thanks for putting up with me my man 🤓

Thanks for following along 😝 it’s still early days and we have no idea what we’re having yet so might be a few more updates to come with scans etc 🥳

Also put the finally results down below from the at home test kit 🫣
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Congrats brother, great news easy parts done! still a long road ahead 👍
 
CypherOCE said:
🍼 important announcement 🍼

The swimmers have officially been made great again.

After months of planning, protocols, testing, and giving my endocrine system more attention than it ever asked for, the boys clearly got the message.

Turns out with a little biochemical encouragement and some patience, even a suppressed system can still rise to the occasion.
Results have exceeded expectations 🥹

Operation baby cypher - mission accomplished.

I don’t think the smile will ever come off my face, while not the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do it definitely emotionally taxing @Wolfenstein can confirm probably complained to him the most 😂 thanks for putting up with me my man 🤓

Thanks for following along 😝 it’s still early days and we have no idea what we’re having yet so might be a few more updates to come with scans etc 🥳

Also put the finally results down below from the at home test kit 🫣
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My girl heard me say "Haha fuck YES!" from downstairs as soon as I got down here and sat down.

This entire log should become a full on permanent reference for anyone coming on here asking for how it's done!

Congrat-u-effin-lations my man!! This is what EVO's all about.
 
waggat said:
Awesome results. Congrats mate!
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Thanks my man 🥳

Freki said:
Congrats brother, great news easy parts done! still a long road ahead 👍
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Looooong journey indeed! 😝

Trenhead3cc said:
Congratulations bro!! Super stoked for you and the wife.
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Thanks bro!! 😘😘

Allupfromhere said:
Fuck yesssssss brother ❤️❤️❤️
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We got there in the end 🥳

HarleyGuy said:
My girl heard me say "Haha fuck YES!" from downstairs as soon as I got down here and sat down.

This entire log should become a full on permanent reference for anyone coming on here asking for how it's done!

Congrat-u-effin-lations my man!! This is what EVO's all about.
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Hahaha thank you bro! 🥳 it’s been a long bloody road so far and to think this is really only the beginning haha

So pumped! Can’t wait 🥹🥳
 
CypherOCE said:
🍼 important announcement 🍼

The swimmers have officially been made great again.

After months of planning, protocols, testing, and giving my endocrine system more attention than it ever asked for, the boys clearly got the message.

Turns out with a little biochemical encouragement and some patience, even a suppressed system can still rise to the occasion.
Results have exceeded expectations 🥹

Operation baby cypher - mission accomplished.

I don’t think the smile will ever come off my face, while not the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do it definitely emotionally taxing @Wolfenstein can confirm probably complained to him the most 😂 thanks for putting up with me my man 🤓

Thanks for following along 😝 it’s still early days and we have no idea what we’re having yet so might be a few more updates to come with scans etc 🥳

Also put the finally results down below from the at home test kit 🫣
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Haha, you know me bro I can chat for hours 🙏 never once annoyed me bro, always here for the boys.

such an amazing result brother over the moon for you. 🤝
 
HarleyGuy said:
Super pumped for you too bro! EVO love to you and the lady and baby on the way 🙏♥️
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Thanks bro!! 🥹😝 it doesn’t feel real yet but I know it is 😂

Stans said:
Congratulations mate what an awesome story this log has been. Glad it’s all working out for you
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Thanks bro!! It’s definitely been a journey that’s for sure, the mental anguish is probably the worst part for me anyway

Wolfenstein said:
Haha, you know me bro I can chat for hours 🙏 never once annoyed me bro, always here for the boys.

such an amazing result brother over the moon for you. 🤝
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🤓 you’re the best, appreciate you my bro 🥳
 
CypherOCE said:
No major updates this week baby wise

Scans should be next week! Also broke my right hand so I’ve become a leg day warrior until I can get surgery and get it sorted.
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broke your right hand??? @CypherOCE
 
CypherOCE said:
Operation Baby Cypher: The Conception Chronicles Begin

Welcome to my official log, where I’ll be documenting the mission to achieve one of my life’s biggest milestones: getting Mrs. Cypher pregnant.

It’s a goal that’s both beautifully simple and biologically complex. So after months of digging into research, absorbing wisdom from the brains here on EVO, and planning like a mad scientist, I’m finally putting things into motion.

🔬 The Objective​

Produce viable swimmers, fire them like champions, and make a tiny human.
Simple in theory. Biochemically... not so much.

⚙️ The Protocol (Making Swimmers Great Again)​

Since I’ve been off cycle for nearly 8 weeks, the focus now is on restarting the body’s natural production line and giving my fertility every possible advantage.

Bulking can wait — babies come first. Sorry @ODINLABS 😭

Here’s the current regimen:

  • HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin)
    1500 IU/week, split across Monday/Wednesday/Friday.
    Stimulates the ol’ Leydig cells to get testosterone production going again.

  • HMG (Human Menopausal Gonadotropin)
    75 IU/week, split on Tuesday/Thursday, as needed.
    Think of it as HCG’s wingman — encourages sperm development by pushing FSH levels.

  • Clomid (Clomiphene Citrate)
    Taken daily for the next few weeks. This SERM blocks estrogen receptors in the brain, tricking the body into pumping out more LH and FSH — the hormones that tell your testes, “Let’s go boys, time to work!”

  • L-Carnitine
    500 mg daily — because mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell... and sperm are basically tiny, hyperactive jet engines.
    It boosts sperm motility, and science backs it.
Everything is sourced through trusted EVO suppliers, so quality is locked in.

🧪 How I’ll Know If It’s Working​

You didn’t think I’d leave this to guesswork, did you?

Enter YO Sperm Test — a surprisingly legit at-home test that hooks up to your phone and gives you insights into sperm count and motility. It's like a fitness tracker for your swimmers.

I'll be testing every few weeks to see how things are progressing — and yes, I’ll report the data. Because what’s a science-based fertility journey without cold, hard metrics?

🧠 Final Thoughts​

This log isn’t just about numbers and hormones — it’s about tracking a deeply personal journey with a bit of humour, a little bit of biology, and hopefully a baby at the end of it all. (Hopefully a boy 🥹)

If you’re on a similar path or just curious, stick around. There’ll be updates, overshares, and probably way too much info about my testicles — but hey, we’re all here to learn!

Now it’s time to let the swimmers swim. 🏊‍♂️

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Special mentions to @ODINLABS for his unwavering support of my crazy ideas and @Core Pharma who already had the nuts and bolts of the fertility plan already mapped out.

I’ll also be using sponsored gear from @Wolfenstein (Austix Pharma) to make sure I stay in shape while trying to conceive, namely Reta and MOTS-c.
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Firstly I wish you all the best and I hope it works out for you and your team mate bro

I’ve never read a log on fertility before I never thought I would be in this position myself trying ways to get live shots off, and here I am lol
Great job on the layout of this log bro
Im keen to learn more about what you did and used for my own benefit man
 
CypherOCE said:
Finally got around to using the test kit for all those following along at home

Result we’re.. as expected. Low in all ranges which isn’t a total surprise.

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As this is not surprising I’m not overly concerned just means this is the starting point and it can only get better! 🤓

Will retest again in a months time 👍🏼
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I never knew about this until now, and how accurate are the results compared to getting done in the lab?
Have you tried to compare it with the lab results?
 
I prevail87 said:
Firstly I wish you all the best and I hope it works out for you and your team mate bro

I’ve never read a log on fertility before I never thought I would be in this position myself trying ways to get live shots off, and here I am lol
Great job on the layout of this log bro
Im keen to learn more about what you did and used for my own benefit man
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Hey bro

Happy to answer any questions the best I can!

Originally I’d started with the come off everything idea but test was 1.9 after 9 weeks off I couldn’t live like that 😂

Protocol ending up being

TRT - Test E 75mg a week
hCG - 1000IU x 3 (M, W & F)
hMG - 150IU x 3 (M, W & F)

I did use Gonal F which is a prescription rFSH, basically hMG on steroids.

My wife is now 8 weeks along so it was well worth the struggle and financial outlay in my eyes anyway

The at home test was just as accurate compared to the lab results. You just don’t get morphology results but everything else is just as good 👍🏼
 
Thanks legend I’ll definitely be asking away soon as I get my plans together, bro I know exactly what you mean im still living this way it’s been horrible but I have one last job to do and I’m looking forward to my ambitions again lol

I’ve only been using hcg and it’s not helping me so I’ll definitely look into learning more about options to add in the game
Appreciate the suggestion and help with my own kick off game too man
 
I prevail87 said:
Firstly I wish you all the best and I hope it works out for you and your team mate bro

I’ve never read a log on fertility before I never thought I would be in this position myself trying ways to get live shots off, and here I am lol
Great job on the layout of this log bro
Im keen to learn more about what you did and used for my own benefit man
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I prevail87 said:
Thanks legend I’ll definitely be asking away soon as I get my plans together, bro I know exactly what you mean im still living this way it’s been horrible but I have one last job to do and I’m looking forward to my ambitions again lol

I’ve only been using hcg and it’s not helping me so I’ll definitely look into learning more about options to add in the game
Appreciate the suggestion and help with my own kick off game too man
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have you done bloods? @I prevail87
 
CypherOCE said:
🍼 important announcement 🍼

The swimmers have officially been made great again.

After months of planning, protocols, testing, and giving my endocrine system more attention than it ever asked for, the boys clearly got the message.

Turns out with a little biochemical encouragement and some patience, even a suppressed system can still rise to the occasion.
Results have exceeded expectations 🥹

Operation baby cypher - mission accomplished.

I don’t think the smile will ever come off my face, while not the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do it definitely emotionally taxing @Wolfenstein can confirm probably complained to him the most 😂 thanks for putting up with me my man 🤓

Thanks for following along 😝 it’s still early days and we have no idea what we’re having yet so might be a few more updates to come with scans etc 🥳

Also put the finally results down below from the at home test kit 🫣
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Congratulations man 💪
I’ve been truly been restored with my own faith from reading your touching and emotional roller coaster, absolute legend man Lol I know im a bit behind because she’s 8 weeks but hey definitely a great influence on me as I get ready to tackle this pathway for myself but good thing Ive comeback to the right place for reinforcements to add in other players other than just hcg and take notes on other people journey and stuff to boost the odds for me.
Well done thanks for sharing this personal log brother 💪 and shout out to the labs behind the gear support
 
I prevail87 said:
Not to be miss lead anyone with unconfirmed information, but I could be logging my fertility journey when I have all the protocol steps in place to start
That’s why I’m here 😁 evo community and it’s supportive nature
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its going to start with your base bloods now, you have them ready? :D @I prevail87
 
I prevail87 said:
😩 not yet big man im hoping they will be ready to lay down soon waiting for the results man sorry to disappoint
Im eager to get ball rolling man it’s stressful
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waiting for you to start :D
 
LevButlerov said:
waiting for you to start :D
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@CypherOCE @LevButlerov my results and I don’t know about my fertility and whether I am in the brackets of needing assistance but for my blood results I am at a low testosterone because I haven’t used anything since May last year
Happy to hear from your thoughts
 

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I prevail87 said:
@CypherOCE @LevButlerov my results and I don’t know about my fertility and whether I am in the brackets of needing assistance but for my blood results I am at a low testosterone because I haven’t used anything since May last year
Happy to hear from your thoughts
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can you repost your testosterone only bloods? @I prevail87
 
I prevail87 said:
@CypherOCE @LevButlerov my results and I don’t know about my fertility and whether I am in the brackets of needing assistance but for my blood results I am at a low testosterone because I haven’t used anything since May last year
Happy to hear from your thoughts
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I prevail87 said:
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Now its clear for me :D the test pic didn't load originally @I prevail87 this is very low!

can you start a new thread with your log? this log is for @CypherOCE
 
Chowmanly said:
Just gone through the whole thread. I’m 8 weeks into pct and going through a similar scenario now with slight different obstacles. It was great to see the outcome.
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Good to see you read @CypherOCE Log @Chowmanly big EVO family respect to him for pushing through this.
what is your situation @Chowmanly ? you are trying to recover fertility? would be nice for you to share

and check @bss log he has an amazing journey as well on fertility
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...is-trt-recovery-protocol-with-hcg-hmg.106749/
 
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