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TeeGee

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Hey fellas. Currently running a gram of test with 600 masteron.

I’ve been caught off guard with the ridiculous estro numbers as I’ve been feeling fine. No itchy or puffy nips like I would normally deal with.
Sex drive could possibly be higher I guess given the test dose

Using 12.5mg aromasin eod. Switching to 25mg eod as of right now.

I’m just curious as to why I haven’t felt the estro sides. Is the masteron masking it ?
 

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Corn Gromwell said:
Masteron behaves like a SERM in regards to E2, generally has no or little impact on the blood test reading. So you will have to judge by “feel” - suspect the aromasin was/is unnecessary if you are experiencing no E2 side effects.

Primo acts like an AI and will lower the E2 reading on your blood test.
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Thanks mate I appreciate the response. I just figured numbers this high for estro are a bit crazy

Only side affect I ever deal with is sex drive being slightly lower than usual. That’s why I use the 12.5 aromasin eod.
 
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Ferrari Pharmaceuticals said:
Looking at your blood work, if you'd not feeling any major sides, then I wouldn't do anything. Still need to have e2 and test in a ratio. Higher test I'd expect to see Higher e2.
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Yeh that actually makes a lot more sense looking at it that way brother. Greatly appreciated
 
SBD said:
Your Test level is 5x the reference range so it makes sense your estrogen is going to be well out of the reference range as well.

Like it’s been said above .. no real sides no need to worry with those numbers.
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Thank you brother. My mind is now at ease
 
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The free test to e2 ratio would still be very high, so your androgen load will be able to tolerate that e2 value. If it makes you uncomfortable, adding another anabolic agent like Primo is better than and AI to bring it down. But changing a number on the lab isn't necessary if it isn't giving you symptoms
 
estrogen can cause other issues that might not be noticeable.

estrogen can fire up cancer cells for example.

1000mgs of test is a lot of aromatization but let's be honest the androgenic effects are gonna be even more of a risk using that much. that is 10X what your body produces
 
TeeGee said:
Hey fellas. Currently running a gram of test with 600 masteron.

I’ve been caught off guard with the ridiculous estro numbers as I’ve been feeling fine. No itchy or puffy nips like I would normally deal with.
Sex drive could possibly be higher I guess given the test dose

Using 12.5mg aromasin eod. Switching to 25mg eod as of right now.

I’m just curious as to why I haven’t felt the estro sides. Is the masteron masking it ?
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@TeeGee no estrogen sides outside, doesn't mean you dont have estrogen E2 sides on the inside
high estrogen causes organ damage and brain chemistry changes its not a joke
you need to get tamoxifen in there on top of the aromasin to be on the safe side

and whats your whole cycle like? 1000mgs of test and 600mgs of masteron??
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@TeeGee no estrogen sides outside, doesn't mean you dont have estrogen E2 sides on the inside
high estrogen causes organ damage and brain chemistry changes its not a joke
you need to get tamoxifen in there on top of the aromasin to be on the safe side

and whats your whole cycle like? 1000mgs of test and 600mgs of masteron??
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I’m on the back end of my cycle mate. 5 weeks remaining. Began at 500 test. Added in mast at 400. Ramped test to 750 and then mast to 600 and now test to 1000 but I’m going to drop it back to 750 coz the estro numbers just do not sit very well with me.

What a lot of the boys are saying in regards to the balance between the 2 in their markers does make sense but I’m still curious.

Everything else in blood test was spot on. All organ function within range. Cholesterol LDL HDL etc.

I’ve never actually used tamoxifen during a cycle. But I’ve also been told not to run the aromasin higher than 50mg weekly ? So I guess adding the tamoxifen will be wise. What dose would you recommend?

I’ll definitely be pulling bloods again final week of cycle to check on things
 
TeeGee said:
I’m on the back end of my cycle mate. 5 weeks remaining. Began at 500 test. Added in mast at 400. Ramped test to 750 and then mast to 600 and now test to 1000 but I’m going to drop it back to 750 coz the estro numbers just do not sit very well with me.

What a lot of the boys are saying in regards to the balance between the 2 in their markers does make sense but I’m still curious.

Everything else in blood test was spot on. All organ function within range. Cholesterol LDL HDL etc.

I’ve never actually used tamoxifen during a cycle. But I’ve also been told not to run the aromasin higher than 50mg weekly ? So I guess adding the tamoxifen will be wise. What dose would you recommend?

I’ll definitely be pulling bloods again final week of cycle to check on things
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@TeeGee would be nice to see the full bloods :)

you have 5 weeks in the cycle? can you share your Log with us, is that possible? you would get full EVO family support :)
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@TeeGee would be nice to see the full bloods :)

you have 5 weeks in the cycle? can you share your Log with us, is that possible? you would get full EVO family support :)
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I will have to grab my paperwork later this evening mate and will post it up. I’m sure you will be able to give insight on what might be missing on blood work also.

As for logging I wouldn’t really say I’ve logged my cycle.

Started things off quite casual without tracking my macros etc which obviously got me no where.

To give a rough break down I basically tracked macros for a cut and adjusted my dosage and macros every 6-8 weeks.

I’m 6ft 3” Starting out at 115kg and now currently sitting at 104.5kg fasted in the AM goal for now is to hit 100kg and reasses from there.

I’m no body builder by any means but I’m doing my own trial and error in dosages to see what works for me and trying to better myself continuously. We all obviously want to look great but this lifestyle comes with plenty of conflicting theories.

I found 750 test with 400 mast was a really good sweet spot. When I went up to 600 mast I think I’ve jumped the gun in pushing the test to 1000mg so moving forward I’m going to stay at 750 test with 600 mast for these final 5 weeks.

I guess you could say in conclusion. I had always been the typical *runs gear, eats shit and doesn’t track workouts or macros then wonders why minimal gains. This cycle has been a bit of a turning point for me where I’ve become somewhat impressed creating hunger. So next cycle I plan to log completely in detail. Diet and training.

Apologies for such a long message mate. I’d love to be able to post of photos of physique but being heavily tattooed ruins that for me lol.

What is your thoughts on changing the aromasin to 25mg eod for now while riding out the end of this cycle ?
 
TeeGee said:
I will have to grab my paperwork later this evening mate and will post it up. I’m sure you will be able to give insight on what might be missing on blood work also.

As for logging I wouldn’t really say I’ve logged my cycle.

Started things off quite casual without tracking my macros etc which obviously got me no where.

To give a rough break down I basically tracked macros for a cut and adjusted my dosage and macros every 6-8 weeks.

I’m 6ft 3” Starting out at 115kg and now currently sitting at 104.5kg fasted in the AM goal for now is to hit 100kg and reasses from there.

I’m no body builder by any means but I’m doing my own trial and error in dosages to see what works for me and trying to better myself continuously. We all obviously want to look great but this lifestyle comes with plenty of conflicting theories.

I found 750 test with 400 mast was a really good sweet spot. When I went up to 600 mast I think I’ve jumped the gun in pushing the test to 1000mg so moving forward I’m going to stay at 750 test with 600 mast for these final 5 weeks.

I guess you could say in conclusion. I had always been the typical *runs gear, eats shit and doesn’t track workouts or macros then wonders why minimal gains. This cycle has been a bit of a turning point for me where I’ve become somewhat impressed creating hunger. So next cycle I plan to log completely in detail. Diet and training.

Apologies for such a long message mate. I’d love to be able to post of photos of physique but being heavily tattooed ruins that for me lol.

What is your thoughts on changing the aromasin to 25mg eod for now while riding out the end of this cycle ?
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@TeeGee the best way we can do this is by getting your LOG up right now in a new thread.
Share diet, training, cardio, sleep, history, gear and supplements, and we can guide you from there.
Really my view on guessing is its wrong, I'd like to see you share in a NEW thread a LOG and we can step by step there with the EVO family.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone masteron cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here is a good template on a workout log to follow:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/workout-log-template.99224/

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@TeeGee the best way we can do this is by getting your LOG up right now in a new thread.
Share diet, training, cardio, sleep, history, gear and supplements, and we can guide you from there.
Really my view on guessing is its wrong, I'd like to see you share in a NEW thread a LOG and we can step by step there with the EVO family.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone masteron cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here is a good template on a workout log to follow:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/workout-log-template.99224/

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/
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I will get Everything posted up later this evening when I have the chance. Being that I’m at the end of this cycle I will more be posted it in a past tense but at least I will be able to get opinions and guidance for these final weeks and I will also post the next cycle I begin after cruising for a few months.

Very new to this side of Evo but also appreciative to be a part of it.
 
TeeGee said:
I will get Everything posted up later this evening when I have the chance. Being that I’m at the end of this cycle I will more be posted it in a past tense but at least I will be able to get opinions and guidance for these final weeks and I will also post the next cycle I begin after cruising for a few months.

Very new to this side of Evo but also appreciative to be a part of it.
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@TeeGee great, EVO family is here for you to help :)
 
definitely grab your paperwork and screenshot it
make sure you take off your name so you staying anonymous
 
going to be exciting to follow your log I'm looking forward to it
please make sure you get it up so that we can track you
 
log journals are extremely important
check out the other ones on here and see how much improvements people have had
 
your question answered?
I think a log will be important so we can answer questions as you go
 
definitely put up a log
that will go a long way to helping you get the most out of your cycle
 
Happens all the time man. Lots of people will not see the side effects right away but the numbers are off the charts. That is why blood work is so important.
 
Vadim Fedorov said:
going to be exciting to follow your log I'm looking forward to it
please make sure you get it up so that we can track you
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It is now posted up. I will also post up todays chest workout later today as I have spammed the log a little to begin.

Very excited moving forward and already enjoy the idea of being held accountable for my efforts
 
Drop dose
 
25homes said:
Drop dose
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test has been dropped back to 750 immediately after the bloodwork results. Aromasin now upped to 25mg eod for 2 weeks then pulling bloods again to assess.
 
Corn Gromwell said:
Masteron behaves like a SERM in regards to E2, generally has no or little impact on the blood test reading. So you will have to judge by “feel” - suspect the aromasin was/is unnecessary if you are experiencing no E2 side effects.

Primo acts like an AI and will lower the E2 reading on your blood test.
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Interesting. I'm pretty new to it all. Does proviron work the same?
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@chop09333 it can work the same but really depends on your situation
whats your full cycle plan?
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Your probably gonna tell me off here. It's my first cycle ever, and to he honest I'm more than likely going to stay on trt afterwards.

500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron daily
Aromasin on hand only

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really.
 
No one is going to tell you off here brother. Estrogen sides is never fun and trying to work out a good balance with your test and e2 but also not crashing your e2 because we don’t want that either.

You will get some solid advice on this topic though just the way I did.

Good luck buddy
 
chop09333 said:
Your probably gonna tell me off here. It's my first cycle ever, and to he honest I'm more than likely going to stay on trt afterwards.

500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron daily
Aromasin on hand only

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really.
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@chop09333 dont worry, no one is going to tell you off, this is the EVO family we are a no judgement zone :)

Things not going according to plan is not new, you think you're the only one bro? :) many have this issue, I've had new clients come with 1000mgs of tren so this is nothing.

Here is what I suggest, this way the whole EVO family can help you. Can you please start your LOG journal for us in a NEW thread, throw up your diet training cardio sleep and history so we can see what happened and how to guide you.

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here is a good template on a workout log to follow:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/workout-log-template.99224/

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/
 
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