Approved Log Test and Primo Cycle Log

[Eddie Haskell]

I am ok with that. Can you explain the reasoning behind it though?

Also, I have decided I am going to sign up for the subscription blood test service. I want to make it as cost effective as I can without missing anything important. What would you suggest I have tested?

@ajg223 i was assuming 116 is your estrogen level is that correct? thats very low

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Looking at he’s E2 on 100mg of test, he will not benefit from 300mg of test with 150mg primo in terms of T:E2 ratio. It’s going to fly up I guarantee.

100mg Test 200mg Primo
200mg primo should bring it down to normal ranges. He can Titrate up when he gets bloods next if E2 is lowered, it’s a good base to allow the user to adjust his levels safely. 300 test and 150 primo will not be the best looking at his bloods.

You can also jab your gear ED to prevent spikes of E2 corresponding with High Androgen Bolus.

for sure estrogen will go up but lets see if he's actually at 116 now @AE1079

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Primo should be higher than test to bring down E2.

Maybe I've missed something, but if you're using the Primo for its AI impact, it should be higher right @Eddie Haskell ?

primobolan not an Ai more of a serm @juddy

 

[AE1079]

Primobolans metabolites have AI properties more so then having SERM mechanisms let’s say like Masteron, sorry to correct you here but there is a fair bit of evidence of primo acting as AI through downstream metabolism.

 

[AE1079]

My next write up will be Primobolan - hopefully it clear the confusion up on how it acts as both an anabolic and AI

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Primobolans metabolites have AI properties more so then having SERM mechanisms let’s say like Masteron, sorry to correct you here but there is a fair bit of evidence of primo acting as AI through downstream metabolism.

its possible but i have yet to see a study on this @AE1079 and from anecdotal experience I've seen more bloods to show primobolan levels out e2 not crush it
with masteron a bit different
on the hardening feels more like tamoxifen harden as a serm
but im open man always can change my mind not married to anyidea

 

[Eddie Haskell]

My next write up will be Primobolan - hopefully it clear the confusion up on how it acts as both an anabolic and AI

that will be a good one

 

[AE1079]

its possible but i have yet to see a study on this @AE1079 and from anecdotal experience I've seen more bloods to show primobolan levels out e2 not crush it
with masteron a bit different
on the hardening feels more like tamoxifen harden as a serm
but im open man always can change my mind not married to anyidea

Agree it won’t crush E2 at lower doses, but it will once you start running high with lower test, EQ does the same thing.

It’s an open discussion for sure, as they have just discovered 23 new metabolites and 1 of them having strong AI properties depending on dosage of course.

The discussion is always open and forever changing haha

 

[stevesmi]

n2guard already contains omega's. so not necesssary to stack more

 

[juddy]

My next write up will be Primobolan - hopefully it clear the confusion up on how it acts as both an anabolic and AI

Looking forwards to you dropping that knowledge mate!

 

[ajg223]

The logic behind leaving test at 100 and adding 200 mg of primo makes sense. I will plan on getting bloods four weeks after I start.

What panel should I get? Just one that includes test levels, estrogen and estradiol? I will also add a lipid profile as I want to keep an eye on that hdl number. Do I really need the $250 level panel. Seems like a lot of extra stuff. I’m no expert though. Clearly.

 

[juddy]

Where are you located? Re blood panels.

 

[ajg223]

@ajg223 i was assuming 116 is your estrogen level is that correct? thats very low

Yes. That is what my estrogen level was. A quick google search shows that ideal estrogen is like 30-60. Is this a different measurement than what my blood test was measuring?

 

[ajg223]

Where are you located? Re blood panels.

NY but only 10 miles from CT border so can go there for bloods.

 

[juddy]

NY but only 10 miles from CT border so can go there for bloods.

Uh, Ty not sure about blood options in the US.

But Testosterone, cal free test, shbg, E2, HDL, LDL at the least for monthly bloods and a larger panel could be done more infrequently. Anyone else?

If you check my Log, there is a heap of info there but for monthly monitoring I dint feel its all needed. Mine cost $50 for 3 test. I buy 6 test at a time, with my PHP ordering larger test once a year.

 

[ceo]

Bros I think it makes sense to keep the dosing the same
this way you get the best of both worlds

 

[ROIDDERS]

I've always done well on higher primo
Pro testosterone too high gives me a lot of bloat

 

[chesty]

at the end of the day you can get blood work done
the blood work will tell you the truth about what's going on with estrogen

 

[juddy]

Exactly, I'd start and adjust as needed.

Flexibility is key

 

[Ulter]

oh I think you're confused on the blood work
the conversions and the metrics are different is why