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Hello everyone! I'm 20 years old male, 180 cm, 60 kg. Training MMA and going gym. I need to gain about 15 kg of muscle mass. Have some problems with joints, but not serious ones. This is my first cycle, I'm thinking about test enanthate 375 mg and 375 mg boldenone (eq). Please don't say that it's a young age, I know, but need advices on cycle.
Gear is not gonna give you 15kg of good weight. What does your current training and diet look like. We can help you make an educated decision but we need much more info about you. Can you post a pic?
I eat regular food 4 times a day, cereals, 1 liter of milk, meat, pizzas, pasta etc. I train MMA 4-5 times a day for about 2 hours. And go to the gym, but can't go often, trying to go 3-4 times a week, but not always. Doing leg day, back day and arm day.
I’m gonna give you much credit for being honest. Most younger guys would just lie and say they are perfect. Sounds like your training/eating is not optimal for putting on hood size. Steroids won’t make up for this. I would start to get a little more serious about the diet and weight training portion of your training. I think once these items get fixed you should try a sarms cycle to get started. Save the steroids for a little later when you can make the most out of them.
Building muscle is a long game even with good genetics.
I think 10kg of muscle in 3 months is not doable even if your weight training and eating are on point. You would prob have to drop the mma training a great deal as well.
Even with gear you may gain the weight but it will be mostly water.
can you post a pic? What do your weight training days look like?
@rememberTHE5 might be able to give you some direction on the training/Diet as she is a fighter as well. Check out her log.
Even with gear you may gain the weight but it will be mostly water.
can you post a pic? What do your weight training days look like?
@rememberTHE5 might be able to give you some direction on the training/Diet as she is a fighter as well. Check out her log.
Understand about the pic.
I think you can make a lot of progress without drugs. You need to get the diet and training on point for your goals. I can’t recommend you take anything at your age due to the fact that your body is still developing and you really don’t want to mess with your hormones at this stage. You could do serious damage that you will have to deal with the rest of your life.
I think you can make a lot of progress without drugs. You need to get the diet and training on point for your goals. I can’t recommend you take anything at your age due to the fact that your body is still developing and you really don’t want to mess with your hormones at this stage. You could do serious damage that you will have to deal with the rest of your life.
my opinion is your diet is crap
you are only 20 years old
and you already have joint problems which A: means your diet is crap and B: you aren't training correctly
you have zero good fats in your diet which is a recipe for disaster.
you are only 20 years old
and you already have joint problems which A: means your diet is crap and B: you aren't training correctly
you have zero good fats in your diet which is a recipe for disaster.
you are making the worst decision of your life but go ahead
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@Eugene18 well welcome to evolutionary.org forums. I don't like 20 year olds using steroids but since you are going to use it no matter what we can help you set up a steroid cycle thats more safe, i would say just testosterone so test-only cycle but BEFORE we do that, we need to see your diet training LOG journal to see where you're at to guide you into a cycle.
To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us
Please click the anabolic forum
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___ = the name of your log
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https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-cycle-training-log.86383/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dozers-journey-to-the-stage-and-cycle.84184/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-time-tren-log.87653/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
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https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/contest-peak-cycle-this-year.85007/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/new-cycle.84662/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/summer-bulking-cycle.85543/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/lefr34ks-training-log.85141/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsys-training-log.83248/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/echos-hgh-log-and-cycle.85429/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log.85538/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/
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bro my son used steroids and i caught him, he got the belt
you need to atleast get a log going if you want to mess yourself up
let's see a log with full pics, what do you got
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its hard to say what a good age is to begin steroids. i would say at least wait until 25 but thats arbitrary. 20 is the absolute earliest. you can do what you want but id iron out all the other aspects here for at least the next full year then reconsider. a good start imo is 300 mgs test cyp/enth per week. this wont give you explosive results but it will allow you to recover at an incredible rate compared to being natural, the most noticeable difference. i dont want anyone blindly jumping into this the way i did. this is not the same as taking a pre-workout or creatine or a vitamin or some GNC supplement. its to be taken very seriously. not to mention the fact you can be arrested if caught in possession of such drugs...(in the US at least)
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advising steroid use to a 20 year old is pretty fkng low
20 is for sure too young but it appears his mind is made up. so theres that lol.
want to be clear here. if you are in fact 20 years old, this is not something you should do. i think everyone is pretty much saying that. but we cant stop you if you choose to obviously.
We know from studies that it doesn’t matter how much good fats you get If u are getting bad fats. fat intake is about ratios.. in fact its more than that. it isn't like you can eat lots more good fats and out run a bad diet.. in other words you need to just focus on eliminating the poor foods.
ur diet is the typical crappy American eat what I want diet. and i will go a step further its a high schoolers diet who has latchkey parents who are too busy/lazy to cook. It’s not an athletes diet. Look up what what Tom Brady eats. until you fix that you aren't gonna even be able to take advantage of the gear in the first place.
also economically where are you getting the $$$ to use on steroids? i sure as hell hope you have housing and educational plans. that is what your 20's should be focused on. when you get older you will regret not getting as many skills and degrees as you could have cause your focus was on this bs cause you got caught up in the fitness influencer grift. its like the 19 year old couple who thinks they can make millions doing onlyfans. are you planning on being a pro?
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I think you are too your for steroids,you don't have enough training as a natty to hit your genetic potential,your gonna fuck up your shit bro.
way too young bro
Don’t do it brother just wait
Not a good idea I won't help on this one
Not recommending gear to a 20 year old man. You can gain so much if you just eat and train properly.
