Tremendous PIP with Ultima mass stack

[major.ast]

Hi all,

I m on my 4th injection of Ultima mass stack (300mg test e + 200mg deca) and the PIP has been almost unbearable. I did 1ml in the left thigh first and it was bad, limping after 48h, but I was not strict with warming up the vial before. I did right thigh after 5 days and it was not that bad, but I had to postpone my lower body workout for an extra day (so three full days between injection and workout) due to severe site pain.

I went for the left thigh afterwards and that was a big mistake. I warmed up the fluid really well, applied cold patches afterwards, light massage, but PIP after 24 hours was bad and after 48 it was incapacitating. I had difficulties with walking due to muscle pain, the site got red and warm to the touch. 6 days after it is still bad, although I am no longer limping.

After checking with my doctor yesterday, he suggested letting the left thigh rest for 3 weeks and cycling between the right thigh and shoulders in the meantime. I did 0.5ml in the right shoulder yesterday and another 0.5ml in the left today. Pretty painful but manageable.

I was using Geneza test c 250mg/ml every 5 days with leg shots for a few months without any issues. It had a clear oil which took a long, long time to dissolve the test crystals during the warming up of the oil. Ultima's has a yellow oil and no visible crystals despite the higher concentration.

In case the shoulder pain increases in the following days, honestly I will throw the two vials I bought in the bin and order fresh ones from Geneza or Dragon. I am very disappointed with Ultima to be honest.

Any suggestions?

 

[s.gentz]

Hi all,

I m on my 4th injection of Ultima mass stack (300mg test e + 200mg deca) and the PIP has been almost unbearable. I did 1ml in the left thigh first and it was bad, limping after 48h, but I was not strict with warming up the vial before. I did right thigh after 5 days and it was not that bad, but I had to postpone my lower body workout for an extra day (so three full days between injection and workout) due to severe site pain.

I went for the left thigh afterwards and that was a big mistake. I warmed up the fluid really well, applied cold patches afterwards, light massage, but PIP after 24 hours was bad and after 48 it was incapacitating. I had difficulties with walking due to muscle pain, the site got red and warm to the touch. 6 days after it is still bad, although I am no longer limping.

After checking with my doctor yesterday, he suggested letting the left thigh rest for 3 weeks and cycling between the right thigh and shoulders in the meantime. I did 0.5ml in the right shoulder yesterday and another 0.5ml in the left today. Pretty painful but manageable.

I was using Geneza test c 250mg/ml every 5 days with leg shots for a few months without any issues. It had a clear oil which took a long, long time to dissolve the test crystals during the warming up of the oil. Ultima's has a yellow oil and no visible crystals despite the higher concentration.

In case the shoulder pain increases in the following days, honestly I will throw the two vials I bought in the bin and order fresh ones from Geneza or Dragon. I am very disappointed with Ultima to be honest.

Any suggestions?

It's 500mg/ml. What did you expect? I used a high concentration once and had the same issue. Never again. I'd rather just pin more oil than deal with that.

 

[major.ast]

It's 500mg/ml. What did you expect? I used a high concentration once and had the same issue. Never again. I'd rather just pin more oil than deal with that.

Exactly, I m thinking the same. No point in not being able to train at all due to pain.

 

[s.gentz]

Exactly, I m thinking the same. No point in not being able to train at all due to pain.

Yep, i ditched 5 viles.

 

[Noah Wixx]

It's the price you pay for utilizing certain mixtures unfortunately there is no way around it, with high concentrations just part of the game. The higher the concentrations the worse the pip.

You could always try more frequent injections with less oil and more rotation of sites, that isn't a guarantee it will help.

I'm fully expecting my pip 2 be pretty bar as well but we will see.

 

[stevesmi]

Try mixing it with another oil. That will help

 

[major.ast]

Try mixing it with another oil. That will help

Could you give me some pointers here? I have no idea how to do this in a safe way

 

[Losiol]

I use all ultima high concentration stuff, what I found you must pin into the ventro glute anything else the pip is horrible.

 

[stevesmi]

Could you give me some pointers here? I have no idea how to do this in a safe way

draw another steroid oil, and mix it into the syringe. shake a little bit and thats it

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi all,

I m on my 4th injection of Ultima mass stack (300mg test e + 200mg deca) and the PIP has been almost unbearable. I did 1ml in the left thigh first and it was bad, limping after 48h, but I was not strict with warming up the vial before. I did right thigh after 5 days and it was not that bad, but I had to postpone my lower body workout for an extra day (so three full days between injection and workout) due to severe site pain.

I went for the left thigh afterwards and that was a big mistake. I warmed up the fluid really well, applied cold patches afterwards, light massage, but PIP after 24 hours was bad and after 48 it was incapacitating. I had difficulties with walking due to muscle pain, the site got red and warm to the touch. 6 days after it is still bad, although I am no longer limping.

After checking with my doctor yesterday, he suggested letting the left thigh rest for 3 weeks and cycling between the right thigh and shoulders in the meantime. I did 0.5ml in the right shoulder yesterday and another 0.5ml in the left today. Pretty painful but manageable.

I was using Geneza test c 250mg/ml every 5 days with leg shots for a few months without any issues. It had a clear oil which took a long, long time to dissolve the test crystals during the warming up of the oil. Ultima's has a yellow oil and no visible crystals despite the higher concentration.

In case the shoulder pain increases in the following days, honestly I will throw the two vials I bought in the bin and order fresh ones from Geneza or Dragon. I am very disappointed with Ultima to be honest.

Any suggestions?

@major.ast well actually the best suggestion is to switch oils. High mg/ml is high PIP no matter what you use. And honestly this situation wouldnt be the same if you discussed it with us in your LOG, thats why we are here.

Can you tell us why you stopped updating your log? many of us waited for you and wanted to see updates but you left us dry.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-strength-and-mass-building-cycle-log.97078/

Can you update your log and tell us more about your cycle in your log.

 

[Mobster]

Never understood the need for high concentration AAS

 

[ballin2504]

That concentration in oils is definitely going to cause PIP

 

[ceo]

bros That oil designed for pros who got a pin a lot of gear at once
they don't care they're on so many painkillers that don't bother them

 

[ROIDDERS]

take some aspirin and maybe put a ice pack
if it keeps happening then time to switch

 

[chesty]

why did you stop your log?
Have you kept it going we would have told you not to use high concentrations

 

[Ulter]

keep up with your log or start a new one
it's very hard to give you the best advice when we have to get to know you all over again

 

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[e2]

start up a new log
and experiment with different oils to see what you like and what you don't like

 

[2Thick]

try it once or twice more
try different strategies maybe heat it up or heat up the muscle as well

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

I agree with trying it again
but if you don't have success then just stop using it and switch to something else