Cycle Advice

imslydell · Sep 28, 2022

Afternoon guys,

So backstory on me- Currently 31M. 6'1 205-210lbs depending on how carbed up I am on that particular day currently roughly 15-17% BF been slacking a bit the last few months on the diet. Been on TRT for about 1.5 years at this point (my original bloods shows 42 total test, no I had never taken anything, I didn't even go to the gym). I'm on 80 mg twice a week and typically stay in the upper end of the normal T range (~900/1000).

I have never ran AAS before but I have run 2 SARMS cycles this year. First one was just 25mg upped to 50 mg halfway through Osty + 20 mg cardarine with split doses 2nd I ran 50 mg S4 with split doses, 10 mg YK-11 split doses, 10 mg Rad-140 once, 20 mg cardarine with split doses and 25 mg MK677. Had little to no side effects with the exception of the common yellow tint and difficulty seeing at night with S4.

Now I'm looking to run an AAS + SARMS cycle (mostly including the SARMS because I have enough left to run another cycle for most + don't wanna run 2 orals). I have enough leftovers of all of the above mentioned stuff and I intend to run 50 mg Anavar for 6-7 weeks. Goals for the cycle are to improve strength + athletic performance and cut some fat off my body. Looking to improve my basketball (especially athleticism i.e. vertical/agility) and boxing performance but I'm also a big lover of powerlifting so I want to increase my max strength too. Do not have any interest in adding weight currently so trying to use things that are mostly dry.

So I was thinking something like this-
1-6/7 50 mg Anavar ED
1-12 50 mg S4 ED split doses
1-12 10 mg RAD140 ED
1-12 25 mg Ostarine ED
1-12 20 mg cardarine ED split doses
1-16 25 mg MK677 ED

Ostarine included mostly for health benefits same with MK677.

My main questions are: How much will it matter if I don't split the Anavar into two 25 mg doses? Would I see more result from starting the Anavar at week 5/6 instead of week 1? Would there be enough benefit to running the RAD at 20mg instead? And I do still have YK-11 so I could add that in too but I felt like that would be overkill on the stack? Also what supports would you guys recommend? Any and all input appreciated.

Npcclassicphysique champ · Sep 28, 2022

imslydell said:
Afternoon guys,

So backstory on me- Currently 31M. 6'1 205-210lbs depending on how carbed up I am on that particular day currently roughly 15-17% BF been slacking a bit the last few months on the diet. Been on TRT for about 1.5 years at this point (my original bloods shows 42 total test, no I had never taken anything, I didn't even go to the gym). I'm on 80 mg twice a week and typically stay in the upper end of the normal T range (~900/1000).

I have never ran AAS before but I have run 2 SARMS cycles this year. First one was just 25mg upped to 50 mg halfway through Osty + 20 mg cardarine with split doses 2nd I ran 50 mg S4 with split doses, 10 mg YK-11 split doses, 10 mg Rad-140 once, 20 mg cardarine with split doses and 25 mg MK677. Had little to no side effects with the exception of the common yellow tint and difficulty seeing at night with S4.

Now I'm looking to run an AAS + SARMS cycle (mostly including the SARMS because I have enough left to run another cycle for most + don't wanna run 2 orals). I have enough leftovers of all of the above mentioned stuff and I intend to run 50 mg Anavar for 6-7 weeks. Goals for the cycle are to improve strength + athletic performance and cut some fat off my body. Looking to improve my basketball (especially athleticism i.e. vertical/agility) and boxing performance but I'm also a big lover of powerlifting so I want to increase my max strength too. Do not have any interest in adding weight currently so trying to use things that are mostly dry.

So I was thinking something like this-
1-6/7 50 mg Anavar ED
1-12 50 mg S4 ED split doses
1-12 10 mg RAD140 ED
1-12 25 mg Ostarine ED
1-12 20 mg cardarine ED split doses
1-16 25 mg MK677 ED

Ostarine included mostly for health benefits same with MK677.

My main questions are: How much will it matter if I don't split the Anavar into two 25 mg doses? Would I see more result from starting the Anavar at week 5/6 instead of week 1? Would there be enough benefit to running the RAD at 20mg instead? And I do still have YK-11 so I could add that in too but I felt like that would be overkill on the stack? Also what supports would you guys recommend? Any and all input appreciated.

welcome to the evolutionary.org family, great to have you here

it wouldnt matter if you split the anavar i suggest go 50mgs anavar ed for 8 weeks and add organ liver support like n2guard

10mgs rad140 is enough imo with your other sarms

there is someone running something similar check this out
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-anavar-rad140-cardarine-cycle-log-86174.html

when you do this cycle you need to share a cycle log with us, its a must for us to guide you

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
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top left, you see: +POST NEW THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Anavar Sarms cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/new-cycle!-84662.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/summer-bulking-cycle-85543.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/lefr34k-s-training-log-85141.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/pigsy-s-training-log-83248.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/echos-hgh-log-cycle-85429.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/my-cycle-log-85538.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/dozers-journey-stage-cycle-84184.html

stevesmi · Sep 28, 2022

imslydell said:
Afternoon guys,

So backstory on me- Currently 31M. 6'1 205-210lbs depending on how carbed up I am on that particular day currently roughly 15-17% BF been slacking a bit the last few months on the diet. Been on TRT for about 1.5 years at this point (my original bloods shows 42 total test, no I had never taken anything, I didn't even go to the gym). I'm on 80 mg twice a week and typically stay in the upper end of the normal T range (~900/1000).

I have never ran AAS before but I have run 2 SARMS cycles this year. First one was just 25mg upped to 50 mg halfway through Osty + 20 mg cardarine with split doses 2nd I ran 50 mg S4 with split doses, 10 mg YK-11 split doses, 10 mg Rad-140 once, 20 mg cardarine with split doses and 25 mg MK677. Had little to no side effects with the exception of the common yellow tint and difficulty seeing at night with S4.

Now I'm looking to run an AAS + SARMS cycle (mostly including the SARMS because I have enough left to run another cycle for most + don't wanna run 2 orals). I have enough leftovers of all of the above mentioned stuff and I intend to run 50 mg Anavar for 6-7 weeks. Goals for the cycle are to improve strength + athletic performance and cut some fat off my body. Looking to improve my basketball (especially athleticism i.e. vertical/agility) and boxing performance but I'm also a big lover of powerlifting so I want to increase my max strength too. Do not have any interest in adding weight currently so trying to use things that are mostly dry.

So I was thinking something like this-
1-6/7 50 mg Anavar ED
1-12 50 mg S4 ED split doses
1-12 10 mg RAD140 ED
1-12 25 mg Ostarine ED
1-12 20 mg cardarine ED split doses
1-16 25 mg MK677 ED

Ostarine included mostly for health benefits same with MK677.

My main questions are: How much will it matter if I don't split the Anavar into two 25 mg doses? Would I see more result from starting the Anavar at week 5/6 instead of week 1? Would there be enough benefit to running the RAD at 20mg instead? And I do still have YK-11 so I could add that in too but I felt like that would be overkill on the stack? Also what supports would you guys recommend? Any and all input appreciated.

you can run var once or twice a day. should be fine.

i would run the rad 10-15 tops

ceo · Sep 28, 2022

bros thats a good cycle anavar and sarms hit it and LOG it

ROIDDERS · Sep 28, 2022

50mgs var for sure and keep rad at 10mgs
LOG for us asap

Quadsweep · Sep 28, 2022

50mgs anavar you right path with sarms and post up a log journal

Ulter · Sep 28, 2022

i like your cycle but do var 8 weeks @ 50mgs and organ support
LOG IT dude

e2 · Sep 28, 2022

50mgs anavar 8 weeks is the sweet spot with organ support
+ LOG this

2Thick · Sep 28, 2022

yup var and sarms classic
post a LOG you must

MONSTRO · Sep 28, 2022

I have a client on this cycle he has a log up now its perfect results
please share a log journal for more help too

StevenDarwinMD · Sep 28, 2022

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Mobster · Sep 29, 2022

imslydell said:
Afternoon guys,

So backstory on me- Currently 31M. 6'1 205-210lbs depending on how carbed up I am on that particular day currently roughly 15-17% BF been slacking a bit the last few months on the diet. Been on TRT for about 1.5 years at this point (my original bloods shows 42 total test, no I had never taken anything, I didn't even go to the gym). I'm on 80 mg twice a week and typically stay in the upper end of the normal T range (~900/1000).

I have never ran AAS before but I have run 2 SARMS cycles this year. First one was just 25mg upped to 50 mg halfway through Osty + 20 mg cardarine with split doses 2nd I ran 50 mg S4 with split doses, 10 mg YK-11 split doses, 10 mg Rad-140 once, 20 mg cardarine with split doses and 25 mg MK677. Had little to no side effects with the exception of the common yellow tint and difficulty seeing at night with S4.

Now I'm looking to run an AAS + SARMS cycle (mostly including the SARMS because I have enough left to run another cycle for most + don't wanna run 2 orals). I have enough leftovers of all of the above mentioned stuff and I intend to run 50 mg Anavar for 6-7 weeks. Goals for the cycle are to improve strength + athletic performance and cut some fat off my body. Looking to improve my basketball (especially athleticism i.e. vertical/agility) and boxing performance but I'm also a big lover of powerlifting so I want to increase my max strength too. Do not have any interest in adding weight currently so trying to use things that are mostly dry.

So I was thinking something like this-
1-6/7 50 mg Anavar ED
1-12 50 mg S4 ED split doses
1-12 10 mg RAD140 ED
1-12 25 mg Ostarine ED
1-12 20 mg cardarine ED split doses
1-16 25 mg MK677 ED

Ostarine included mostly for health benefits same with MK677.

My main questions are: How much will it matter if I don't split the Anavar into two 25 mg doses? Would I see more result from starting the Anavar at week 5/6 instead of week 1? Would there be enough benefit to running the RAD at 20mg instead? And I do still have YK-11 so I could add that in too but I felt like that would be overkill on the stack? Also what supports would you guys recommend? Any and all input appreciated.

Not a huge amount

Vadim Fedorov · Sep 29, 2022

Your plan is solid, lets see your log

dylangemelli · Sep 29, 2022

imslydell said:
Afternoon guys,

So backstory on me- Currently 31M. 6'1 205-210lbs depending on how carbed up I am on that particular day currently roughly 15-17% BF been slacking a bit the last few months on the diet. Been on TRT for about 1.5 years at this point (my original bloods shows 42 total test, no I had never taken anything, I didn't even go to the gym). I'm on 80 mg twice a week and typically stay in the upper end of the normal T range (~900/1000).

I have never ran AAS before but I have run 2 SARMS cycles this year. First one was just 25mg upped to 50 mg halfway through Osty + 20 mg cardarine with split doses 2nd I ran 50 mg S4 with split doses, 10 mg YK-11 split doses, 10 mg Rad-140 once, 20 mg cardarine with split doses and 25 mg MK677. Had little to no side effects with the exception of the common yellow tint and difficulty seeing at night with S4.

Now I'm looking to run an AAS + SARMS cycle (mostly including the SARMS because I have enough left to run another cycle for most + don't wanna run 2 orals). I have enough leftovers of all of the above mentioned stuff and I intend to run 50 mg Anavar for 6-7 weeks. Goals for the cycle are to improve strength + athletic performance and cut some fat off my body. Looking to improve my basketball (especially athleticism i.e. vertical/agility) and boxing performance but I'm also a big lover of powerlifting so I want to increase my max strength too. Do not have any interest in adding weight currently so trying to use things that are mostly dry.

So I was thinking something like this-
1-6/7 50 mg Anavar ED
1-12 50 mg S4 ED split doses
1-12 10 mg RAD140 ED
1-12 25 mg Ostarine ED
1-12 20 mg cardarine ED split doses
1-16 25 mg MK677 ED

Ostarine included mostly for health benefits same with MK677.

My main questions are: How much will it matter if I don't split the Anavar into two 25 mg doses? Would I see more result from starting the Anavar at week 5/6 instead of week 1? Would there be enough benefit to running the RAD at 20mg instead? And I do still have YK-11 so I could add that in too but I felt like that would be overkill on the stack? Also what supports would you guys recommend? Any and all input appreciated.

1. obviously you are not going to see a ton in week 1 of anavar...

2. you certainly can and should run rad at 20 mg per day

3. you definitely can add yk11 here, just remember you need n2guard for protection not only from anavar but the slight toxicity with yk11 as well

4. the best sarms you can find are at umbrella labs or sarms.forsale and my best experiences anytime with anavar have always been with domestic supply

Tiger Salman Khan · Sep 29, 2022

You got a good plan......

imslydell · Sep 29, 2022

dylangemelli said:
1. obviously you are not going to see a ton in week 1 of anavar...

2. you certainly can and should run rad at 20 mg per day

3. you definitely can add yk11 here, just remember you need n2guard for protection not only from anavar but the slight toxicity with yk11 as well

4. the best sarms you can find are at umbrella labs or sarms.forsale and my best experiences anytime with anavar have always been with domestic supply

so you are saying it would be more beneficial to kickstart with the sarms and then add the anavar after a few weeks?

dylangemelli · Sep 29, 2022

imslydell said:
so you are saying it would be more beneficial to kickstart with the sarms and then add the anavar after a few weeks?

I never once said that. I simply answered uour question…. Thats all entirely up to you how you to decide to run it….

imslydell · Sep 30, 2022

dylangemelli said:
I never once said that. I simply answered uour question…. Thats all entirely up to you how you to decide to run it….

Ok then can you elaborate on "1. obviously you are not going to see a ton in week 1 of anavar..." given that my question was - Would I see more results from starting the Anavar at week 5/6 instead of week 1?

Seventieschild · Sep 30, 2022

Forget the sarms bro,run Anavar at 60-100 mg per day with test at 400-500 per week,that's a good start,it's all you need here bro atm

Masonic Bodybuilder · Sep 30, 2022

I really like your stack overall but just be aware that anavar can cause intense pumps which could negatively effect performance in basketball or boxing.

imslydell · Sep 30, 2022

Seventieschild said:
Forget the sarms bro,run Anavar at 60-100 mg per day with test at 400-500 per week,that's a good start,it's all you need here bro atm

Not an option as I’m on prescribed trt so I’d have to plan such a cycle to start immediately after they do my bloods. Speaking of which, if I did run a cycle of 500 mg test how long post cycle would it take for my levels to return to “normal” aka the levels my trt keeps me at

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Thanks for the heads up. What would you say are the best aas for sports related performance (power, speed, explosiveness). Oral or injectable I don’t have an issue with pinning if injectables are a better option

imslydell · Sep 30, 2022

Thanks for the heads up. What would you say are the best aas for sports related performance (power, speed, explosiveness). Oral or injectable I don’t have an issue with pinning if injectables are a better option

Eddie Haskell · Sep 30, 2022

imslydell said:
Thanks for the heads up. What would you say are the best aas for sports related performance (power, speed, explosiveness). Oral or injectable I don’t have an issue with pinning if injectables are a better option

power and speed you need equipoise imo

MarekArawn · Apr 12, 2024

dylangemelli said:
1. obviously you are not going to see a ton in week 1 of anavar...

2. you certainly can and should run rad at 20 mg per day

3. you definitely can add yk11 here, just remember you need n2guard for protection not only from anavar but the slight toxicity with yk11 as well

4. the best sarms you can find are at umbrella labs or sarms.forsale and my best experiences anytime with anavar have always been with domestic supply

Would he add a PCT after using Novaldex and/or Clomid?

Npcclassicphysique champ · Apr 13, 2024

MarekArawn said:
Would he add a PCT after using Novaldex and/or Clomid?

@MarekArawn the nolva/clomid is the pct bro
how about you? no cycle updates

MarekArawn · Apr 13, 2024

Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@MarekArawn the nolva/clomid is the pct bro
how about you? no cycle updates

I shall do that. Let's say that I'm a newbie to SARMS and gear (literally "discovered" the existence of SARMS and Peptides last year at age 57!). OCD about reading up on what does what and now stacks. Have done 2 cycles (VERY mild!) since last July.
Once I've decided what I want to stack (based on what I've seen here with comments), I'll list the protocol and hope for advice.

dylangemelli · Apr 13, 2024

MarekArawn said:
Would he add a PCT after using Novaldex and/or Clomid?

huh? nolva or clomid is the pct? im lost here

Npcclassicphysique champ · Apr 13, 2024

MarekArawn said:
I shall do that. Let's say that I'm a newbie to SARMS and gear (literally "discovered" the existence of SARMS and Peptides last year at age 57!). OCD about reading up on what does what and now stacks. Have done 2 cycles (VERY mild!) since last July.
Once I've decided what I want to stack (based on what I've seen here with comments), I'll list the protocol and hope for advice.

MarekArawn · Apr 14, 2024

dylangemelli said:
huh? nolva or clomid is the pct? im lost here

Ergo the importance of punctuation... (a comma, for example or a semi-colon) and complete sentences...

Sorry for the confusion. It was SO clear in my ADHD-OCD brain.
Question s/b: Would he use (add) a PCT after (the cycle he listed), using clomid and/or Novaldex? [The PCT isn't mentioned or listed; your guides [irongorillas] indicate a PCT even after a SARMS only cycle.]
Looking at Npcclassicphysique champ's response (which I now see his confusion to my terribly framed question), I assume the answer is a "yes".

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