Three weeks into 300mg/week test cycle, not sure wether to stop or complete a cycle.

[Tyler56]

Hi guys, very new here and just wanted to say first off everyone here seems very knowledgeable on the topic of PEDs and does their best to shoot straight with people on side effects/expectations without totally shitting on someone which a lot of PED-related forums seem to do.

I’m 28 years old, 5’11 200 pounds and very fit regarding with lifts/strength training and cardio, diet leaves something to be desired. But like most of you probably, I’m pretty obsessive about my exercise.

Recently I started a cycle of 300mg Test C, 12.5mg Aromasin EOD cycle. I’m three weeks into it and as I learn more about the decision I made I guess I’m just unsure if I should continue. Frankly zero benefits from that so far, no noticeable gains other than maybe physically stronger but no visible muscle growth really.

To be honest i had originally wanted to just go on 200mg/week trt forever until I learned about the fertility side effects (which frankly
I don’t know if these are overblown or not, but having kids is definitely something I would really want in my life in the future). Still debating what is best that or pct. PCT sounds like a very daunting and expensive process. And something that sounds like a very big commitment in time and energy to be doing over and over and over.

The whole back and forth in my head has me thinking what if I just stop now. Reevaluate this down the road in a few years when I’m really more sure this is what I want to do. However everything I read here says it’s already too late for that, and my hormones are shut down pretty much the same as if I went the full 12 weeks I’d need to pct all the same. Is this really the case? Or could I stop now and resume natural T production? If not, is it better to just keep going the full 12 weeks, in that case I think I’d just up my dose to 500mg as suggested for a beginners cycle.

Second, the only thing holding me back from just doing “trt” at 200mg is fertility concerns. I’ve heard people say taking HCG or Clomid with test can keep you fertile, is this true?

Thanks for taking the time to read and any advice y’all can give

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi guys, very new here and just wanted to say first off everyone here seems very knowledgeable on the topic of PEDs and does their best to shoot straight with people on side effects/expectations without totally shitting on someone which a lot of PED-related forums seem to do.

I’m 28 years old, 5’11 200 pounds and very fit regarding with lifts/strength training and cardio, diet leaves something to be desired. But like most of you probably, I’m pretty obsessive about my exercise.

Recently I started a cycle of 300mg Test C, 12.5mg Aromasin EOD cycle. I’m three weeks into it and as I learn more about the decision I made I guess I’m just unsure if I should continue. Frankly zero benefits from that so far, no noticeable gains other than maybe physically stronger but no visible muscle growth really.

To be honest i had originally wanted to just go on 200mg/week trt forever until I learned about the fertility side effects (which frankly
I don’t know if these are overblown or not, but having kids is definitely something I would really want in my life in the future). Still debating what is best that or pct. PCT sounds like a very daunting and expensive process. And something that sounds like a very big commitment in time and energy to be doing over and over and over.

The whole back and forth in my head has me thinking what if I just stop now. Reevaluate this down the road in a few years when I’m really more sure this is what I want to do. However everything I read here says it’s already too late for that, and my hormones are shut down pretty much the same as if I went the full 12 weeks I’d need to pct all the same. Is this really the case? Or could I stop now and resume natural T production? If not, is it better to just keep going the full 12 weeks, in that case I think I’d just up my dose to 500mg as suggested for a beginners cycle.

Second, the only thing holding me back from just doing “trt” at 200mg is fertility concerns. I’ve heard people say taking HCG or Clomid with test can keep you fertile, is this true?

Thanks for taking the time to read and any advice y’all can give

@Tyler56 welcome to the evolutionary.org family. We understand you, many guys have questions, heck right now I train 10 bodybuilders who dont even know eq vs dbol and they compete, steroid info is not easy this is why we are here to help you.

Can you recover from TRT? 100% yes you can, it would just take time. You would do it after the TRT in case you need it.

Now, do you want us to help you? really help you whether to stop cycle or PCT or TRT, well do that we need to know more about you, not just guess in the dark.
You need to start a NEW thread with your LOG journal diary, post your training, diet, sleep schedule, supplements and injections and gear pics, and we will guide you from there.

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
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click that

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[Mobster]

No mention of training or diet being changed

 

[stevesmi]

Second, the only thing holding me back from just doing “trt” at 200mg is fertility concerns. I’ve heard people say taking HCG or Clomid with test can keep you fertile, is this true?

when you use exogenous hormones you will get shut down and damage sperm.

if you want to be fertile you need to come off streroids entirely and do a pct. hcg does NOT work for male fertility unless its a last ditch resort because it will damage the pituitary glands more. Clomid and Vitamin E have been shown to help with fertility but only when you are completely off steroids

my advice is either get your sperm frozen or don't do trt yet. and if you do trt expect to need to completely come off trt down the line and attemping to get your Hpta back functioning again which is a low % chance

 

[s.gentz]

Recently I started a cycle of 300mg Test C, 12.5mg Aromasin EOD cycle. I’m three weeks into it and as I learn more about the decision I made I guess I’m just unsure if I should continue. Frankly zero benefits from that so far, no noticeable gains other than maybe physically stronger but no visible muscle growth really.

Your only 3 weeks in on a low test cycle. Your blood levels are not fully saturated yet, If you want to make the most of this cycle post your food and training so we can make sure your dialed in to get the best results.

The whole back and forth in my head has me thinking what if I just stop now. Reevaluate this down the road in a few years when I’m really more sure this is what I want to do. However everything I read here says it’s already too late for that, and my hormones are shut down pretty much the same as if I went the full 12 weeks I’d need to pct all the same. Is this really the case? Or could I stop now and resume natural T production? If not, is it better to just keep going the full 12 weeks, in that case I think I’d just up my dose to 500mg as suggested for a beginners cycle.

You are already shut down. Finish out the cycle.

 

[Quadsweep]

at the end of the day your best bet is a thorough pct
ugfreak.to has all the ancillaries you will need

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro i got 15 kids and i use steroids for years
it can happen, it take 1 sperm only getting lucky

 

[JasonPriest]

its about ODDS
the more sperm the better the odds
domestic supply does have hcg, hmg, clomid and anything else to help with this

 

[MONSTRO]

Monstro has been on steroids a long time. my sperm count 0

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

the longer you are on trt The harder it will be to recover
this is why it's important to get a log Journal going and get your sperm tested and documented

 

[2Thick]

asking us to guess is really not fair
you need to help us help you by getting a log Journal going
and you can post up your blood work and everything else so that we can track you

 

[e2]

sometimes people are able to bounce back very easy
and sometimes people aren't
everyone is different which is why a log is going to be the best thing you can do

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

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[Ulter]

we know nothing about you besides what you posted in your one thread
you seem to be pretty fit that's good but we don't know what your blood work was before or your sperm count can you post that up and get it tested

 

[chesty]

LOG LOG LOG
if you want to have the best chance at succeeding here it's important to get a log going

 

[ROIDDERS]

definitely put up a log for us
and you can get blood work done which will tell you for sure what is going on
you can get your fertility tested and then go from there

 

[ceo]

Bros this is going to be an Epic log
when do you plan on having kids exactly and how long do you want to stay on trt? It might be better to cycle

 

[Tyler56]

Your only 3 weeks in on a low test cycle. Your blood levels are not fully saturated yet, If you want to make the most of this cycle post your food and training so we can make sure your dialed in to get the best results.


You are already shut down. Finish out the cycle.

Thanks working with a mod now to get a log up

 

[Tyler56]

definitely put up a log for us
and you can get blood work done which will tell you for sure what is going on
you can get your fertility tested and then go from there

have a lab test tomorrow so hopefully sooner rather than later. Sounds like most say I might as well finish out the cycle at the very least so I will update with that info once I've got it

 

[Tyler56]

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Have one ready but where do I post it?

 

[Tyler56]

bro i got 15 kids and i use steroids for years
it can happen, it take 1 sperm only getting lucky

good lord thank god you were on steroids or there'd be 1000s of you hahahaha

 

[Tyler56]

Bros this is going to be an Epic log
when do you plan on having kids exactly and how long do you want to stay on trt? It might be better to cycle

No gf and financially not there yet, but Ideally in the next four to five years. I would want to stay on forever if I could? Seems to have positive effects for my drive/mental state. But wouldn't be against coming off to close the deal on adding more Me's to the world, just very worried about having zero and it never coming back. Frankly, reddit sob stories have gotten me a bit terrified lol.

 

[Tyler56]

Hi guys, very new here and just wanted to say first off everyone here seems very knowledgeable on the topic of PEDs and does their best to shoot straight with people on side effects/expectations without totally shitting on someone which a lot of PED-related forums seem to do.

I’m 28 years old, 5’11 200 pounds and very fit regarding with lifts/strength training and cardio, diet leaves something to be desired. But like most of you probably, I’m pretty obsessive about my exercise.

Recently I started a cycle of 300mg Test C, 12.5mg Aromasin EOD cycle. I’m three weeks into it and as I learn more about the decision I made I guess I’m just unsure if I should continue. Frankly zero benefits from that so far, no noticeable gains other than maybe physically stronger but no visible muscle growth really.

To be honest i had originally wanted to just go on 200mg/week trt forever until I learned about the fertility side effects (which frankly
I don’t know if these are overblown or not, but having kids is definitely something I would really want in my life in the future). Still debating what is best that or pct. PCT sounds like a very daunting and expensive process. And something that sounds like a very big commitment in time and energy to be doing over and over and over.

The whole back and forth in my head has me thinking what if I just stop now. Reevaluate this down the road in a few years when I’m really more sure this is what I want to do. However everything I read here says it’s already too late for that, and my hormones are shut down pretty much the same as if I went the full 12 weeks I’d need to pct all the same. Is this really the case? Or could I stop now and resume natural T production? If not, is it better to just keep going the full 12 weeks, in that case I think I’d just up my dose to 500mg as suggested for a beginners cycle.

Second, the only thing holding me back from just doing “trt” at 200mg is fertility concerns. I’ve heard people say taking HCG or Clomid with test can keep you fertile, is this true?

Thanks for taking the time to read and any advice y’all can give

Wasn't totally sure where to put this but I have a log (I think?) for you all, let me know thoughts or if there's info I should add:

Also sorry for the string of posts one after another still getting use to the UI of this forum.
---
Hi guys, I was told to log my testosterone journey.

So here’s all the information I can provide you guys with:

Source: Domestic-Supply.Com

Currently taking:

• 300 mg Test C. (Ultima Pharma)/Week
• 10mg Aromasin EoD
• .5mg Finastride EoD (I want my hair)

Current weight: 205-210 Pounds

Height: 5’11

Bench: 300lbs

Squat: 350lbs

Background: Former athlete. Working out every day for the last 8 years (probably longer). I am currently 28 years old.


Goals:

Goals are mostly to grow my legs as much as possible, tired of this chicken leg lifestyle lol. Trim down on fat. I realize those are probably mutually exclusive but hey steroids, right? I am happy with my upper body physique, other than I could stand to lose of few pounds around the belly.

Diet:

I should count calories better than I do, I basically eat when I’m hungry, I really doubt I’m not getting enough calories lol. I always ensure I take or eat as much protein as my weight in kilograms though. I take creatine and fish oil as supplments.

Current Workout Regime:

• Every Day: Morning Run – 3 miles a day at 8:00 minute pace.
• Sleep: Always been tough for me, more often than not I get 8 hours, but if you averaged it out over the week it is probably somewhere around 6.5-7 a night
• Go to the Gym everyday for at least an hour and half, I’d say I’m one of the higher intensity people working out there.
• Sunday: Normal Cardio, light work (Calves, forearms, touch up anything I feel like didn’t get a great pump the previous week).
• Monday: Push Day 1
• Tuesday: Pull Day 1
• Wednesday: Legs 1 (compound lifts, squats, leg press, Lunges, not necessarily always all of these but the majority of them, starting with the most weight compound lifts and usually going down to whatever I’m capable of still doing 10x4 sets of for the later exercises)
• Thursday: Push Day 2 (more tricep focused)
• Friday: Pull Day 2 (more bicep focused)
• Saturday: Legs 2 (usually more specific iso work and machines)

Along with the questions in my original post, what's peoples thoughts on going up to 500mg? Seems like if I just cylce or go TRT (say, back down to 200mg after this), I'm not seeing the downside of going up to 500mg if I'm already in the game and am responding well with no sides to 300mg.

 

[dylangemelli]

you know, when you have doubts and concerns, its best to listen to your head and stop bro... its far smarter to do that then to have regrets later on.. i can tell you that if you are not 100% ready mentally, you should NOT do it... you are not far enough along to where it would hurt you at all.. my recommendation would be to listen to your head and stop

 

[Tyler56]

the longer you are on trt The harder it will be to recover
this is why it's important to get a log Journal going and get your sperm tested and documented

Do you have advice regarding sperm testing? It seems very expensive, I ordered an at home kit but only tells you of presence over 150mil. As it's been less than a month, I still should be at pre-cycle levels and sperm supposedly is a 60-day delay/production process in your body, right?

 

[25homes]

Bro you dont sound ready for a cycle. ID PCT now and move on

 

[Noah Wixx]

If u are anxious or in your own head all the time it will cloud the cycle and effect you mentally and that is no good brother.

 

[ballin2504]

good lord thank god you were on steroids or there'd be 1000s of you hahahaha

You can’t take bodymonster seriously all the time lol

 

[RoySimpson]

Keep this log coming!