Supplement advice

TheEater · Nov 29, 2023

Hello!

Some Background:
I'm 34 years old. I started training 2 years ago, weighed in at 110kg at the start with a waist of 40-42". I'm currently at 102kg, with a waist of about 37". I had some bumps along the way, but definitely put on muscle while reducing fat. The past 12 months have been great, and I'm slowly progressing.

I wanted to know if there's any advice anyone can give me on whether I should be/can be introducing something that will assist me to lose fat faster and put on lean muscle?
I'm also looking at trying to have a kid within the next few months, so I need to ensure that I don't put myself at risk of reducing sperm count, etc.

A friend suggested a Test, Masteron and Deca stack, but I'm not sure if this is something that someone in my shoes should be consuming.

ReturnOfTheMeathead · Nov 29, 2023

start with 250 test then PCT then you go from there. standard protocol. id get blood work first tho to get a baseline here. no need to stack on a first run.

s.gentz · Nov 29, 2023

TheEater said:
Hello!

Some Background:
I'm 34 years old. I started training 2 years ago, weighed in at 110kg at the start with a waist of 40-42". I'm currently at 102kg, with a waist of about 37". I had some bumps along the way, but definitely put on muscle while reducing fat. The past 12 months have been great, and I'm slowly progressing.

I wanted to know if there's any advice anyone can give me on whether I should be/can be introducing something that will assist me to lose fat faster and put on lean muscle?
I'm also looking at trying to have a kid within the next few months, so I need to ensure that I don't put myself at risk of reducing sperm count, etc.

A friend suggeg.sted a Test, Masteron and Deca stack, but I'm not sure if this is something that someone in my shoes should be consumin

Your friend is a moron. Post what your diet and training look like. Let's get you on track. Doing any cycle in your condition is not a good idea and you are looking to start a family. Even more reason not to use gear.
Diet and training are 95% of the puzzle. Drugs are for when you are more experienced, have your training and diet in check and and need a push.

s.gentz · Nov 29, 2023

ReturnOfTheMeathead said:
start with 250 test then PCT then you go from there. standard protocol. id get blood work first tho to get a baseline here. no need to stack on a first run.

This is not good advice for him right now. He is trying to start a family soon. Why would you start taking test??
The issue here is others will not read his post and see you said 250mg test and they will all start saying what they believe he should be taking. Now you have 20 guys telling him to take shit when in reality he shouldn't be taking anything.
Let's all read the posts before we comment. We need to be a little more responsible on here when we recommend stuff to the inexperienced.

ReturnOfTheMeathead · Nov 29, 2023

"I'm also looking at trying to have a kid within the next few months, so I need to ensure that I don't put myself at risk of reducing sperm count..."

didnt see this lol. well i think you answered your own question. obviously steroids shouldnt be considered.

Eddie Haskell · Nov 29, 2023

TheEater said:
Hello!

Some Background:
I'm 34 years old. I started training 2 years ago, weighed in at 110kg at the start with a waist of 40-42". I'm currently at 102kg, with a waist of about 37". I had some bumps along the way, but definitely put on muscle while reducing fat. The past 12 months have been great, and I'm slowly progressing.

I wanted to know if there's any advice anyone can give me on whether I should be/can be introducing something that will assist me to lose fat faster and put on lean muscle?
I'm also looking at trying to have a kid within the next few months, so I need to ensure that I don't put myself at risk of reducing sperm count, etc.

A friend suggested a Test, Masteron and Deca stack, but I'm not sure if this is something that someone in my shoes should be consuming.

TheEater · Nov 30, 2023

Thanks for all the advice so far everyone!
I am logging what I eat using FatSecret. I haven't been logging my training in terms of what exercise, reps, sets, etc, but I have been using a Apple watch to log calories, heart rate, steps, etc.

Diet:
Thus far I can safely say, I can definitely improve on my eating habits. I'm doing about 5 days on a "good" diet, which is about 50% protein, with the other 50% split between carbs and fats. Weekends, like most I'm sure, I do have pop corn, chocolate, cake, which probably goes up to 2000 calories for the weekend.

As a post workout I take 1 scoop of protein (MuscleTech Nitro Ripped) and 1 scoop on creatine mono.
My pre-workout is 1/2 serving or whatever pre-workout I have.

I take Vitamin C, D, Omega 3,6,9 and a hair, skin and nails complex as multivitamins.

No other supplements.

Training:
I training 6 days a week, with some days doing more than 1 session. Which equates to at least 1000 calories burned per day and average 10k steps per day.

I generally do Push, Pull, Legs, and about 3 hours of steady walking on the treadmill and stair stepper combined.

My bench has improved to 100kg max (I couldn't even do 60kg easily when I started), Deadlift is at 160kg. My squat is shit, still on 80kg, but I'm slowly improving this with mobility training.

Sleep wise: I average 7 hours per day. I'm a software developer, so I'm in a sitting position most of the day.
One thing I forgot to add is that I'm 1.8m in height.

I will definitely start the log though, as it seems that is the way to go.

TheEater · Nov 30, 2023

To add, I strongly believe that my body fat is +/- 30%.
I'm not comfortable with my self as yet to go and do a proper test or even go for a fitness assessment. I have self esteem issues.

Eddie Haskell · Nov 30, 2023

TheEater said:
Thanks for all the advice so far everyone!
I am logging what I eat using FatSecret. I haven't been logging my training in terms of what exercise, reps, sets, etc, but I have been using a Apple watch to log calories, heart rate, steps, etc.

Diet:
Thus far I can safely say, I can definitely improve on my eating habits. I'm doing about 5 days on a "good" diet, which is about 50% protein, with the other 50% split between carbs and fats. Weekends, like most I'm sure, I do have pop corn, chocolate, cake, which probably goes up to 2000 calories for the weekend.

As a post workout I take 1 scoop of protein (MuscleTech Nitro Ripped) and 1 scoop on creatine mono.
My pre-workout is 1/2 serving or whatever pre-workout I have.

I take Vitamin C, D, Omega 3,6,9 and a hair, skin and nails complex as multivitamins.

No other supplements.

Training:
I training 6 days a week, with some days doing more than 1 session. Which equates to at least 1000 calories burned per day and average 10k steps per day.

I generally do Push, Pull, Legs, and about 3 hours of steady walking on the treadmill and stair stepper combined.

My bench has improved to 100kg max (I couldn't even do 60kg easily when I started), Deadlift is at 160kg. My squat is shit, still on 80kg, but I'm slowly improving this with mobility training.

Sleep wise: I average 7 hours per day. I'm a software developer, so I'm in a sitting position most of the day.
One thing I forgot to add is that I'm 1.8m in height.

I will definitely start the log though, as it seems that is the way to go.

@TheEater good info but lets start a NEW log thread and put details there as I suggested above
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/supplement-advice.96620/post-1434667

Mobster · Nov 30, 2023

Read my training tips thread

stevesmi · Nov 30, 2023

as much as it seems like you need to take this or that a more simpler approach for you here would be to do alternate day fasting
so on day one you would eat two or three healthy meals with no snacking
Day 2 you would fast the whole day just good quality water
day 3 you would repeat day one and so on

get on that and log it

s.gentz · Nov 30, 2023

TheEater said:
Thanks for all the advice so far everyone!
I am logging what I eat using FatSecret. I haven't been logging my training in terms of what exercise, reps, sets, etc, but I have been using a Apple watch to log calories, heart rate, steps, etc.

Diet:
Thus far I can safely say, I can definitely improve on my eating habits. I'm doing about 5 days on a "good" diet, which is about 50% protein, with the other 50% split between carbs and fats. Weekends, like most I'm sure, I do have pop corn, chocolate, cake, which probably goes up to 2000 calories for the weekend.

As a post workout I take 1 scoop of protein (MuscleTech Nitro Ripped) and 1 scoop on creatine mono.
My pre-workout is 1/2 serving or whatever pre-workout I have.

I take Vitamin C, D, Omega 3,6,9 and a hair, skin and nails complex as multivitamins.

No other supplements.

Training:
I training 6 days a week, with some days doing more than 1 session. Which equates to at least 1000 calories burned per day and average 10k steps per day.

I generally do Push, Pull, Legs, and about 3 hours of steady walking on the treadmill and stair stepper combined.

My bench has improved to 100kg max (I couldn't even do 60kg easily when I started), Deadlift is at 160kg. My squat is shit, still on 80kg, but I'm slowly improving this with mobility training.

Sleep wise: I average 7 hours per day. I'm a software developer, so I'm in a sitting position most of the day.
One thing I forgot to add is that I'm 1.8m in height.

I will definitely start the log though, as it seems that is the way to go.

As @Eddie Haskell said, get a log going. He linked a bunch above but this is my log from my diet/contest prep earlier this year if you need some ideas on format.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

s.gentz · Nov 30, 2023

TheEater said:
To add, I strongly believe that my body fat is +/- 30%.
I'm not comfortable with my self as yet to go and do a proper test or even go for a fitness assessment. I have self esteem issues.

Don't sweat it man. We are here to help.

ceo · Nov 30, 2023

Bros we got tons of dudes on here who are overweight it's not a big deal we're here to help you not judge you
look at the log Transformations and see for yourself

ROIDDERS · Nov 30, 2023

best thing for you to do is get a log up so we can really dive into your diet and training and help you with that
that's what we're here to do

chesty · Nov 30, 2023

if you're trying to have kids then steroids will mess up your sperm big time
best thing for you to do is get healthy in the starts with logging

Ulter · Nov 30, 2023

why don't you get your log Journal up and post your full stats with your blood work and a sperm test if possible
that will be your starting point and set a goal of where you want to be

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e2 · Nov 30, 2023

LOG LOG LOG
we want to see your log and get you improved
don't be shy

2Thick · Nov 30, 2023

this is going to be an Epic log
we love to help people who are in your situation

Vadim Fedorov · Nov 30, 2023

not only are we going to help you lose weight but we're also going to help you get your girl knocked up
it's the best case scenario

MONSTRO · Nov 30, 2023

my gf and me want to have kids but we are having a hard time cause i am on steroids
so i wouldn't use steroids yet until you have a kid

dylangemelli · Nov 30, 2023

ReturnOfTheMeathead said:
start with 250 test then PCT then you go from there. standard protocol. id get blood work first tho to get a baseline here. no need to stack on a first run.

what? he just said hes trying to have a kid in the next few months and you tell him literally the worst thing he could ever do by using steroids, shutting himself down etc... not to mention hes only been training two years and clearly has a higher body fat... i mean, come on man, seriously

dylangemelli · Nov 30, 2023

ReturnOfTheMeathead said:
"I'm also looking at trying to have a kid within the next few months, so I need to ensure that I don't put myself at risk of reducing sperm count..."

didnt see this lol. well i think you answered your own question. obviously steroids shouldnt be considered.

literally the worst thing you could ever do is use steroids for a multitude of reasons...

1. you are not in the right condition for them and with a higher body fat, you are far more susceptible to side effects

2. you have only been training two years meaning you are nowhere even close to your natural potential, and you want to get their first before using steroids

3. the fact you want to have kids soon and ANYONE would advise steroid use, which will 100% hinder that ability is just nonsensical and would show a clear and utter lack of any sort of functioning brain

you could look at sarms and peptides to help, most specifically ones that are non hormonal and have zero impact on your ability to have a child and would require no pct of any kind... here is what i would look at...

SARMS AND PEPTIDES CUTTING STACK

for the best quality sarms and peptides check out https://umbrellalabs.is

1-12 GW-501516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 Sr9009 (STENABOLIC) 30 mg day... 10 mg doses 4-5 hours apart
1-12 AOD-9604 300 MCG Per day on empty stomach, preferably in the a.m.
1-8 HGH Fragment 176-191 500 mcg per day on empty stomach… 250 mcg in the a.m. and 250 mcg 30 minutes before bed
1-12 Tesofensine .25 mg per day the first two weeks then bump to .5 mg per day dosed once a day

Topps_Baseball88 · Nov 30, 2023

I'd follow dylans recommend layout on this one

Mobster · Dec 1, 2023

TheEater said:
To add, I strongly believe that my body fat is +/- 30%.
I'm not comfortable with my self as yet to go and do a proper test or even go for a fitness assessment. I have self esteem issues.

Drop the fat and natural test levels will rise.

Mobster · Dec 1, 2023

dylangemelli said:
literally the worst thing you could ever do is use steroids for a multitude of reasons...

1. you are not in the right condition for them and with a higher body fat, you are far more susceptible to side effects

2. you have only been training two years meaning you are nowhere even close to your natural potential, and you want to get their first before using steroids

3. the fact you want to have kids soon and ANYONE would advise steroid use, which will 100% hinder that ability is just nonsensical and would show a clear and utter lack of any sort of functioning brain

you could look at sarms and peptides to help, most specifically ones that are non hormonal and have zero impact on your ability to have a child and would require no pct of any kind... here is what i would look at...

SARMS AND PEPTIDES CUTTING STACK

for the best quality sarms and peptides check out https://umbrellalabs.is

1-12 GW-501516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 Sr9009 (STENABOLIC) 30 mg day... 10 mg doses 4-5 hours apart
1-12 AOD-9604 300 MCG Per day on empty stomach, preferably in the a.m.
1-8 HGH Fragment 176-191 500 mcg per day on empty stomach… 250 mcg in the a.m. and 250 mcg 30 minutes before bed
1-12 Tesofensine .25 mg per day the first two weeks then bump to .5 mg per day dosed once a day

Or just don't read the opening post.

s.gentz · Dec 1, 2023

dylangemelli said:
what? he just said hes trying to have a kid in the next few months and you tell him literally the worst thing he could ever do by using steroids, shutting himself down etc... not to mention hes only been training two years and clearly has a higher body fat... i mean, come on man, seriously

This seems to be a trend lately. Not actually reading a post and just spouting out "advice".
Then 20 guys only read the reply and pile on with bad suggestions.
I think we need to be a little more responsible when replying to people on this forum, especially the newer guys that don't know what they are doing. This is exactly hoe people get hurt.

s.gentz · Dec 1, 2023

Mobster said:
Or just don't read the opening post.

Yeah it's getting old. And now the 50 requests for a log by people who have never done a log to my knowledge.

ballin2504 · Dec 1, 2023

ReturnOfTheMeathead said:
"I'm also looking at trying to have a kid within the next few months, so I need to ensure that I don't put myself at risk of reducing sperm count..."

didnt see this lol. well i think you answered your own question. obviously steroids shouldnt be considered.

Then don’t run anabolics. I would suggest a sarms cycle from umbrella labs

dylangemelli · Dec 1, 2023

s.gentz said:
This seems to be a trend lately. Not actually reading a post and just spouting out "advice".
Then 20 guys only read the reply and pile on with bad suggestions.
I think we need to be a little more responsible when replying to people on this forum, especially the newer guys that don't know what they are doing. This is exactly hoe people get hurt.

exactly! its so frustrating and it undermines all the ACTUAL work being done!

dylangemelli · Dec 1, 2023

Mobster said:
Or just don't read the opening post.

i mean, seriously bro, its getting to the point where all the work that the few of us who actually care are just being undermined with nonsense

25homes · Dec 2, 2023

TheEater said:
Hello!

Some Background:
I'm 34 years old. I started training 2 years ago, weighed in at 110kg at the start with a waist of 40-42". I'm currently at 102kg, with a waist of about 37". I had some bumps along the way, but definitely put on muscle while reducing fat. The past 12 months have been great, and I'm slowly progressing.

I wanted to know if there's any advice anyone can give me on whether I should be/can be introducing something that will assist me to lose fat faster and put on lean muscle?
I'm also looking at trying to have a kid within the next few months, so I need to ensure that I don't put myself at risk of reducing sperm count, etc.

A friend suggested a Test, Masteron and Deca stack, but I'm not sure if this is something that someone in my shoes should be consuming.

START with test 400mg weekly 10 weeks have pct lined up.. @domestic-supply.com for best gear

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