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Hi guys. Kind of a silly question but I want it answered. I do lots of heavy doubles and triples in squat and deadlifts and was wondering if some days I eat 400g protein and 300g of carbs would it be just as effective as if I ate 300g protein and 500g carbs? I just hate eating carbs. Protein is easy to eat but all the rice chewing makes me want to die. Wondering if I can make it easier on myself some days and just up the protein without tanking my strength gains. For the record I don’t care about muscle gain only strength at the moment.
Carbs and protein are both worth 4cal/g.
The difference is carbs are far more effective for muscle glycogen replenishment.
Glucogenesis is an inferior short term mechanism but if you're getting carbs in before the workout and your priority is strength, you should notice no difference.
300-400g protein is probably a good deal more than you need, but if it's easier for you to consume and as above you're timing your training carbs right, happy days.
The difference is carbs are far more effective for muscle glycogen replenishment.
Glucogenesis is an inferior short term mechanism but if you're getting carbs in before the workout and your priority is strength, you should notice no difference.
300-400g protein is probably a good deal more than you need, but if it's easier for you to consume and as above you're timing your training carbs right, happy days.
For powerlifting you need the following
- adequate protein intake for recovery with the factors of body weight, metabolism, PED Usage if applicable
- Carbohydrates to ensure your performance while training is optimal, enhanced sleep quality for recovery and the right carbs. Carbs are protein sparing as said above, gluconeogenisis occurs with high carb amounts, protecting the muscle that is adapted to heavy loads.
- Fats to keep your body’s blood sugar stable, it also contains a substrate for gluconeogenisis to occur as well as ATP being supplied by fatty acid oxidation via beta oxidation. It will slow down digestion and allow glycogen to enter the cells before it’s burnt if you are a carb adapted individual. Fats also help with production of hormones if your natural and allow fluidity within the bi lipid layer for nutrients to go in and out of cells.
With this is mind, it’s important you have a balance of all of these. 300g of protein is great for a 110-120kg individual or somebody with a great metabolism that promotes quicker nutrient turnover. If your lighter then 100kg, I would say 300 is maxing out protein. Depending on your gut, you can have issues with digestion of protein and breakdown causing suboptimal performance and poorer gut health.
I like carbs to be higher then protien for sure, as it’s used in every single function of the body and is needed for optimal mitochondria functionality to perform at your best. We turn over large amounts of glucose and ATP, so it’s important that it’s readily available. 400g+ is a good start point without knowing stats ect.
The rest you fill out with good fats, if your enhanced you need less fat and can fill up carbohydrate load a lot more Due to androgens being able to uptake glucose far greater then a natural athlete.
I like to keep my fats for my powerlifting clients around 80-100 for men with a good metabolism, and up to 150g for people who churn through calories to slow down energy use and allow better performance and saved energy for the gym.
Hope this helps
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Which is just nonsense, we need to actually help you right
Like I can tell you eat 500 grams of carbs but you're 26% bodyfat wouldnt help you, just hurt you long term.
We can adjust your diet and your cycle clearly as you go but we need you to share with us, how?
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bro you will do good on some protein
you need red meat to grow
you need red meat to grow
normally I eat around a kg of chicken breast morning to night whereas morning to day time it’s 1/3rd pineapple 2 kiwis 2 bananas 4 bagels with butter pre workout 4 pieces of bread with the chicken and yogurt as well as a cup of rice later at night. Usually ends up being ~300g protein with 400g-500g carbs. I’m 90.5 kg right now usually 95kg but I tore my rotator cuff 2 months ago so upper body is weak and I’m more focused on leg days. I hate eating the carbs so if there’s any way to keep my maximal performance with less carbs than that I’m all game.
